President Barack Obama criticized Republican rival Mitt Romney and running mate, Wisconsin Congressman Paul Ryan, telling thousands of people at two rallies Wednesday in eastern Iowa that he has protected Medicare, but the Republican ticket would turn it into a voucher system and end the program “as we know it.”

The argument over the health insurance program for seniors could be crucial, particularly in Iowa, a swing state with a large number of elderly.

It’s an issue both campaigns are eager to fight over.

Romney’s campaign is running a new television advertisement criticizing the president for $716 billion in cuts to Medicare. The cuts over 10 years will go toward paying for the new health care reform law and come from a variety of areas, including payments to hospitals and other health care providers and to private insurers who are part of the Medicare Advantage program.

The president’s campaign, meanwhile, released a new video that seeks to tie Romney to Ryan’s budget, which also assumes the same amount of Medicare cuts and the health care law’s repeal.

On the last day of a three-day bus trip across the state, Obama directly engaged on the issue in front of large, enthusiastic crowds in Dubuque and Davenport. He said his health care reform law provided seniors with savings on prescription drugs and that it would extend the solvency of the program, while not touching benefits.

“My plan’s already extended Medicare by nearly a decade,” the president said in Dubuque. “Their plan would end Medicare as we know it.”

The president also pointed to Congressional Budget Office estimates that say the Ryan plan would push more of the cost of health insurance onto seniors

Ryan’s plan would provide premium support payments to future retirees — only those who are now younger than 55 — to buy health insurance on the private market. He also would limit growth in the program’s costs.

“If it doesn’t keep up with costs, well, that’s the senior’s problem,” Obama warned in Davenport.

How much the president’s criticism on Medicare will stick to Romney remains to be seen.

Romney has said that it’s his budget, not Ryan’s, that the ticket is running on. And Wednesday morning, Romney said he will restore the $716 billion in Medicare cuts if he’s elected.

That would appear to distance Romney from a major part of Ryan’s budget plan, a key reason for the young congressman’s appeal among conservatives. It also could help to insulate Romney from the president’s criticism, however.

After the president’s remarks in Dubuque, the Romney campaign responded.

“President Obama has a long history of launching shameful political attacks on Medicare — but he’s the only person in the race who has actually cut Medicare,” said Ryan Williams, a spokesman. “President Obama cut $716 billion from Medicare to pay for Obamacare, and our nation’s seniors will pay the price with higher costs and fewer benefits.”

Republicans have defended Ryan’s plan by saying that it’s voluntary and that people could stay in traditional Medicare. But critics complain the change would no longer make it feasible to do so.

The president also mounted a defense of his health-care plan during both rallies, embracing the term “Obamacare,” which Republicans use as an epithet. As he’s said before, Obama said it fits, because “I do care.”

He said although Romney may be interested in repealing the health-care law, “the Supreme Court has spoken. It is the law of the land. We are moving forward.”

The president was joined by first lady Michelle Obama, who participated in the last leg of the Iowa trip. She drew big rounds of applause at both visits, as she described the president’s upbringing and his empathy for families that are struggling.

Both got a huge cheer as they mounted the stage at 11th and Christie streets in the Village of East Davenport.

The president, referring to the area as “the Quads” as he frequently does when he’s in the area, paid tribute to former U.S. Rep. Lane Evans from the Illinois Quad-Cities.

Then, he set out a series of issues in which he said Americans face a choice between him and Mitt Romney. They included taxes, the economy and energy.

Obama, whose 2008 caucus win here vaulted him to the presidency, has visited here frequently. And aides recapped the trip by saying the president and first lady have a special feeling about the state, and they felt the enthusiasm from supporters on the three-day trip, which began in Council Bluffs.

Polls say Obama and Romney are running fairly even in Iowa, and the Republican’s campaign mounted a vigorous effort at all of Obama’s stops to counter the president’s message.

In Dubuque and Davenport, former Republican Party of Iowa Chairman Matt Strawn and others echoed the Romney campaign’s Medicare argument, as he stood with sign-waving supporters outside Obama’s event. The Romney campaign also bought a full-page ad in the Quad-City Times on Wednesday in which a group of businesspeople criticized the president for his statements on the private sector.

That seemed to matter little to the crowd in the Village of East Davenport, which the Obama campaign estimated at 3,000.

The president and first lady got an enthusiastic response in a county that is likely itself to be closely contested over the last three months of the campaign. Obama won Scott County handily four years ago, but Republicans scored victories in the 2010 midterms and, historically, while voting Democratic over the past several presidential races, the county is usually more closely contested than it was in 2008.

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opie1
opie1

Factcheck.org, Opie, is your friend. Please use it.


Only when those like you think it validates your point. In this case I suggest you actually read what it says because it trashes your idea of the Ryan Medicare plan doing anything but costing everyone more money.

The last sentence of the post from Factcheck--quoting Ryan---("Congress would have to step in and take some unspecified action to keep costs down").

I`m just ROTFLMAO as such a really dumb statement. We could not even get congress, thanks to the GOP/TP, to agree to pay the bills we already owe during the debt ceiling debate. The GOP/TP cost this nation an extra $1.3 billion in interest alone , all because they made outrageous demands that caused our credit rating to be lowered. Now YOU want us to believe they, congress, will ever ("take some unspecified action to keep costs down").

I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public. LOL!!

Deedub

Oh, believe me, Opie, if we elect some fiscal conservatives, they will find a way to keep costs down. That is a far cry better than the current mindset of the last 20-30 years which is to just throw more money at a problem in the hopes that that will fix it.

In any event, you still don't get it: Anyone wanting to go into a private plan has to CHOOSE to do it. Why is that so hard for you to grasp? Neither you, nor your children, will have to leave traditional Medicare if you don't want to. Why do you not get that?

As far as the credit downgrade, that had little to do with raising or not raising the debt ceiling. We were downgraded because debt ceiling raise or no raise, we don't have a plan in place to take care of all of the fiscal problems we have coming in the next decade or two. The credit rating agencies want to see some new budgeting plans get passed that have serious plans to get our deficits under control. Our President's budget got ZERO votes because even Democrats realized it was a ridiculous budget. Of course, the Democrat controlled Senate hasn't passed a budget since Obama was elected. That is a big reason for the downgrade. Without a passed budget, the credit agencies have nothing to look at in regard to what we are doing to control future deficits. It isn't rocket science, just get a freaking budget passed. Geesh!

As far as humiliation goes: anyone that thinks that a President that has presided over $5+ trillion dollars of deficit spending in 3-1/2 years and can't get a budget passed has a real plan to get our future deficits under control has enough humiliation to go around for all of us. :)

opie1
opie1

Trust me, Trust me, Trust me, is the mantra from Romney/Ryan and you really want us to believe a right wing extremist that tells us trust me I paid taxes and then refuses to release but one tax return and one other that might be released before Nov? Get outta here. The end game is the total elimination of Medicare and Social Security, you know it and so do I no matter how many trip to factcheck we do. Any plan that eliminates Medicare as it is today is DOA. If you believe for a second that Romney/Ryan will ever live up to the plan just put out after the outrage from the first plan, You are validating my inherent mistrust of strangers. It still has a $6000 voucher and I don`t care what you want to call it and cost about $6000 more than regular Medicare. With $12,000 extra put into the plan we have today it would last for ever so why does Ryan want vouchers? --Simple-the destruction of Medicare as we know it. I trust any GOP member about as far as I could throw them after watching 4 years of total obstructionism from McConnell and Two from Boehner. Congress don`t have a 10% approval because they did anything right except setting a new record for obstructionism with filibusters. We're all refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view, that`s dead wrong!!

From factcheck.org.
It’s true that an analysis from the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office indicated that under the plan Ryan released last year, seniors on the private plans would pay more than they would under traditional Medicare – about $6,000. But that plan had the premium-support payments, or subsidies, growing with the rate of inflation, and health care costs have risen much faster than that for years. Under the new Ryan plan, that premium-support payment would be tied to the second-cheapest health care plan, which can’t grow more than gross domestic product plus 0.5 percentage points. So, Ryan’s plan says the premium support would always be enough to cover the two cheapest plans. However, if the costs do grow faster than GDP plus 0.5 percentage points, the plan says Congress would have to step in and take some unspecified action to keep costs down.

opie1
opie1

Deedub --Said"Well, your children have nothing to worry about from Ryan, since he does not propose taking away traditional Medicare or Social Security."

If what you claim is true and I say it`s not, then why even bring the subject of vouchers up since nobody in their right mind is going to chose to take a $6-K voucher and then commit themselves to at least another $6-7-K out of their own pocket, when they can continue in the traditional plan for nothing more than the monthly premiums. Once the foot goes in the door to vouchers the GOP will end Medicare as we know it. That has been their goal since the day it was signed into law.

Deedub

So, you still haven't gone to factcheck.org to educate yourself on the current Ryan plan. That much is obvious since you keep talking about a $6000 voucher. Until you educate yourself on the current plan, there really isn't any point in posting about it. Factcheck.org, Opie, is your friend. Please use it.

opie1
opie1

Deedub --
First some facts--The so called $700 billion in cuts to Medicare under Obama`s Medicare plan is also included in the Ryan plan, twice. The BIG difference- Obama`s plan allows NO cuts in benefits, where Ryan`s plan takes all of the $700 billion and turns it into benefit cuts then transfers that $700 billion to pay for tax cuts for the rich lowering their rate to under 1%

Any way you cut it Romney and Ryan are out to destroy Medicare and Social Security as we know it. You can have all the slick number cruncher`s doing their thing supporting these two, claiming we are trying to save Medicare and it`s all B.S.

The fact is for those who retire in 15 or 20 years the only option they will have if the voucher plan is ever put in place is just that a voucher. If you want to see real reform with out the voucher or what ever slick name these two want to call it, why not up the monthly premiums by $50-$100 a month making the entire plan viable for years. Oh no the GOP would scream we can`t do that,it would by pass our insurance buddies making huge profits and would allow the elderly to keep full control of their health care. For the additional cost projected for all those who would be forced into the voucher system $1200 bucks a years sure beats the he!! out of the projected extra $6-8-K per year in addition to the $6-k voucher.

If we ever let the GOP gain control of Social Security or Medicare in any manner it`s gone forever. That has been the ultimate goal of the republicans since the day is was passed into law. We see the same effort now with the Affordable Care Act. If it benefits anyone other than the rich the republicans are against it.

If president Obama came out in support of Oxygen, the GOP would die for lack of air.

opie1
opie1

OBAMACARE SLASHES $700 BLN FROM MEDICARE--Just the truth and the FACTS --

Facts: The Romney-Ryan campaign has trotted out this scary-sounding number to deflect attention from Ryan's voucher plan. But it is largely a false claim because it implies that the health reform law slashes benefits.

The Affordable Care Act actually delivers expanded benefits to seniors. It closes the prescription drug donut hole over time, with 3.6 million seniors saving a collective $2.1 billion last year; it also expands preventive services, including an annual wellness visit, mammograms and prostate cancer screenings with no out-of-pocket cost.

Obamacare does cut $700 billion in Medicare spending over a 10-year period. But the cuts are adjustments in payments to Medicare providers, which are mostly meaningless to patients. According to the CBO, the ACA's 10-year cuts include $415 billion in fee-for-service payments to healthcare providers, $156 billion in reduced payments to Medicare Advantage plans, $56 billion to hospitals, and $114 billion in other miscellaneous cuts far too numerous to detail here.

Now compare this to a $6000 Romney/Ryan voucher that may or may or not cover your insurance needs. Even Ryan tells you around $6-10-K more will be needed to cover yourself .

Deedub

Opie, for the love of all that is good and decent, your first word in your last post is "Facts", but everything you put out after the word "facts" in regard to Ryan's plan is wrong. His plan makes NO CHANGES for anyone 55 and older. For anyone 54 or younger, there are NO CHANGES unless the individual CHOOSES to forego traditional medicare and use a private exchange. If that individual CHOOSES that, then yes, they are responsible for additional premium costs, but - again - this is a CHOICE that each individual has to make. NO ONE is going to make them get rid of their traditional Medicare. That is not a destruction of Medicare. What is so hard about understanding that?

For goodness sake, go to factcheck.org where they debunk your continued assertions about Ryan's medicare plan.

On a broader note, I have been listening to Democrats demagogue for the last 30 years about how the GOP is going to end Social Security and Medicare and throw seniors under the bus. That is pure nonsense. If they were going to do that, they would have done under Bush when they had the Senate and House. Why ANYBODY would continue to believe that claim is beyond me.

opie1
opie1

"On a broader note, I have been listening to Democrats demagogue for the last 30 years about how the GOP is going to end Social Security and Medicare and throw seniors under the bus. That is pure nonsense. If they were going to do that, they would have done under Bush when they had the Senate and House. Why ANYBODY would continue to believe that claim is beyond me."

I guess your memory is very short or you`re very young and have never paid attention to history. Bush and his GOP cronies did their best to pass Social Security privatization right after his second term started. If not for the democrats and a huge backlash for the public he might have got the job done.

"Bush Reveals His Biggest Failure Was Not Privatizing Social Security"
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politicselections/nation/president/2004-09-02-bush-social-security_x.htm

Deedub

Opie, the Social Security backlash came from the same people and for the same reason as the backlash of Ryan's Medicare plan: ignorance. Bush's plan, just like Ryan's plan, would have been an INDIVIDUAL CHOICE. It would NOT have been a mandate. Bush's plan would have allowed everyone paying into S.S. to divert up to 1/3 of that money into a private account that would have been just like the Thrift Savings Plan that federal employees had access to. It would have been just like a 401k, and that money would have stayed with that individual just like in a 401k. AGAIN, it would have been a CHOICE. If a person wanted to remain in traditional S.S., then NOTHING would have changed. Please tell me what is wrong with that CHOICE? I would make that choice myself in a heartbeat, and millions more would too. For those that wouldn't feel comfortable doing that, traditional S.S. with NO changes would still be available to them.

Deedub

Did you at least go to factcheck.org to educate yourself on your incorrect assertions about Ryan's Medicare plan? I see you left out any comment on that in your last response to me. I would like to get your response after reading the correct info about it.

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Deedub

Well, your children have nothing to worry about from Ryan, since he does not propose taking away traditional Medicare or Social Security.

My children, on the other hand, are in high school and college, and I am quick enough to understand that unless MAJOR reforms are done - and done soon - there won't be any Medicare or S.S. when they retire.

opie1
opie1

House Republicans are panicking. Watch as the local GOP house members start their fancy two step dance of NOT ME!!! Their problem--Every one of them, on the record voted in LOCK step with Ryan`s plan to destroy medicare as we know it.

Mitt Romney's decision to name Paul Ryan as his VP has nationalized Ryan's radical right-wing budget. Ryan's plan to turn Medicare into a voucher program is front-page news across the country -- and it's killing House Republicans in their reelection campaigns.

Politico reports House Republicans are so panicked that John Boehner had to schedule a major conference call to calm them down.

So, what's the Republican plan to counterattack? Lie about Democrats' plans and try to convince the American public that Republicans are trying to "save" Medicare. Now if this isn`t rich what is???

Deedub

How does Ryan's plan for Medicare "destroy" it? No one 55 or over has any changes in their coverage. NONE. Anyone 54 or younger may CHOOSE to keep their Medicare benefits the same as they are now when they reach eligibility or they may CHOOSE to enter into a private plan primarily paid for by Medicare funds. There is NO MANDATE to change anything for anyone at any point. Anyone wanting to opt out of the traditional Medicare coverage must CHOOSE to do so. What is wrong with that? Isn't the left always harping about CHOICE?!?

As far as Ryan's plan being a "radical right-wing budget": Oh please! His budget incorporates much of what came out of Simpson-Bowles. His budget has even been praised by Erskine Bowles himself as being a "sensible, straightforward, honest, serious budget." I didn't realize that the Simpson-Bowles commision, and especially Erskine Bowles - Democrat - were offering "radical right-wing" budget ideas.

petersvillerocks

Obama's team next time order your food from 11th street precinct, successful business man, much better food & a good Dem.

toddh

Anyone 55 or older do not need to worry about any changes in Medicare under Ryan's plan. They also don't need to worry about the 15 trillion debt we have now and the additional 10 trillion we will add if we keep spending without consideration of a budget. We need to lower spending AND increase revenues, not just on wealthy. Everyone should share in the burden. If it is only $50 a year for some or $100,000 for others we all can help but it has to start with controlling spending. That should be the choice in the next election, Who will do the best cutting spending and balancing the budget. It will require tough decisions, but the choice is yours

opie1
opie1

Not a problem, for some selling our children down the river with vouchers. As a current retiree I will not vote for someone who wants my children`s future cast into medical doubt by handing them a $6000 voucher with the message, tough if you can`t find insurance for that price, just work a little longer or a little harder.

People like Romney who make $57,000 a day could never relate to a retiree`s needs for medical care and all the various problems created by out of touch rants like he exhibits.

Of course this comment is based on his beliefs today. After 5 PM today, who knows if the wind shifts what his next belief will be. Two days ago his plan was 100% Ryan`s plan, yesterday his plan changed from Ryan`s plan to returning the $700 billion in cuts to providers that Obama instituted and there by cutting Medicares viability by 8 years. Who knows what his plan will be tomorrow. ????

Roman

Government bought meat...

From the Obama Stash!

Give me a break.

opie1
opie1

Romney's decision to name Paul Ryan as his VP has nationalized Ryan's radical right-wing budget. Ryan's plan to turn Medicare into a voucher program is front-page news across the country -- and it's killing House Republicans in their reelection campaigns.

Think not--Just set back and watch as all the local GOP members do their funny little dance around trying to avoid their yes vote to Ryan`s phony budget, as well as his plan to end Medicare with his $6000 voucher. Any way you says it Voucher, premium enchantment, or a gift to the old, it`s still a plan to end Medicare as we know it.

I have children who are 50 or near 50 and will be retiring not long from now. I do not plan on leaving them a Ryan plan where the best they can hope for is an additional $6-10-k per year maybe more in health care cost because of Ryan and Robme.

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Alligator
Alligator

Gutted the program? He implemented savings over 10 years without hurting benefits. The rightwing should be loving that. Especially since Ryan himself said those were good ideas. A Democrat asking for cuts is not hypocrisy.

Bridget30

Large companies that supply devices mostly to the elderly, are going to lay off and close plants because the tax under the healthcare plan.

Bridget30

Ryan liaid out a plan. It isn't Romneys tated plan.

Why don't you talk about all of Preident Obama's plans for the next 4 years, and accomplishments of the last?

I never hear him, or anyone else taunting his great plans for the future. Where is his platform?

opie1
opie1

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opie1
opie1

Just last night Romney made it very clear in Green Bay that Ryan`s plan on abortion,Medicare, and taxes are the same.

Spelling it out that means anyone who gets an abortion is charged with murder, medicare will be eliminated with a $6000 voucher and the $716 billion they refer too will be used as a tax cut for the rich and small business.

Romney can`t make up hid mind were he stands last night he said Ryan`s plan was his plan,today he says no cuts to medicare on his white board. Just who are you and what do you believe Mitt?

Devin H
Devin H

You can find MANY Obama accomplishments if you look at his website, or some leftwing newspapers (who report much more of his positives than the MSM). You can also find his plans for the future on his site, or by listening to any of his speeches. Given the fact that you "never hear him" talk about his plans for the future, means you are looking at the wrong sources -- those who would rather attack and tear down than be "fair and balanced."

Six_String
Six_String

Obama's website - Definitely won't find any biased info there.. It's all been processed by the spin doctors.

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Toy578

Tell me, then, if the Ryan Medicare proposal is so great, why is he waiting 10 years implement it? Makes no sense. If they can implement Obamacare in 5 years, why not implement his plan in 5 years? Explanation, please.

Six_String
Six_String

That's easy - Shift 700 billion from Medicare. Done.

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Toy578

The Ryan Medicare plan assumes and takes those 700 billion cuts. The difference is where they use it. More tax breaks for the rich for Ryan, or changes to Medicare which extend its life for Obama. OR, you listen to Romney today who puts the 700 billion dollars back into Medicare. Those two guys are destroying each other with their conflicting stories.

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tommycarlyle

FORWARD comrades ! Long live the windmill ! Long live Animal Farm !


P S democrats chocolates , brats and hot dogs are bad for you


and no animal shall sleep in beds with sheets

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tommycarlyle

It takes a village to greet an idiot!!!


Quote of the day

opie1
opie1

This week, the Robme/Ryan campaign has twisted itself into a pretzel attacking President Obama for “stealing” $716 billion from Medicare, while trying to explain why Paul Ryan included the savings in his FY 2012 and 2013 budget.

The fact is all of this amount $716 billion has NO cuts to medicare as Ryan agrees and places all the burden on the providers, removing unnecessary dual testing, and eliminating fraud over 10 years.

Some real non-partisan facts to be found here, but I don`t expect any of the Fox junkies or ditto-heads to believe a word, since we all know none of these types would lie to them.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/10/health-care-spin-again/

Marinebob

What about obama on TV interview proudly taking credit for taking the $716B and telling the reporter he would veto any attempt to reinstate it?

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Bridget30

Cutting providers reimbursements will render medicare patients unable to find good doctors, if any at all. This is going to be a mess.

milltownfan

We now know what Obama's plan is for Medicare and Social Security. He will let them go BANKRUPT.

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milltownfan

You sir need to get real. This President is in the process of BANKRUPTING this entire country and folks like you could care less.

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Bridget30

I am disheartened an no longer expect truths from the media or the democrats. The fact is, no one can do much but make campaign promises but fail to mention that most agenda items need a congressional majority to pass. Listening to the man I helped elect, and his supporters and pacs make me sad to have done so. The campaign is filthy rotten Chicago politics rife with lies, half truths, and slap in the faces of hard working people,

Fact check is a liberal organization and when they called many things said about Romney as lies,well the Obama supporters didn't care, they continued on with it all. Sickens me and many more than you may want to believe. Today, most of my family and friends won't vote for Obama again for most of these reasons.

Roman

So downtrodden wants to claim Obama did the deli owner a favor.

The latest Obama Decree states the business owner must pay a portion of $170 million in meat that the owner can not resale. His reward for purchasing the Obama boloney, he gets to pay higher costs for meat he does need. This will result in lower sales, and harm all meat consumers!

And some of you want another four years of this inept fool!

Please, no more Obama favors!

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Bridget30

No, not lies. Just call it a lie, say democrats, and it won't happen. It might be true you know!

Jimmy Crack Corn

Right now liberals can rant and rave about what they think Romney and Ryan's policies will be if elected. It's all speculation, no proof. But we have almost 4 years of proof of what our POTUS is all about and it hasn't been pretty.

Alligator
Alligator

Well, then they should get specific, shouldn't Ryan and Romney? Your comment makes no sense. They actually they have pointed out many plans/policies

juicy

huh

juicy

You're right, speculations on the policy. But there's no speculation on Romney/Ryan, the proof is right there. Doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that. Not a great team. Their theme should be LUCK.

gil_barrett

Actually, We do have proof of their policies. Ryan spent 14 years in the house, voting for every deficit-raising plan the republicans put forth. He's voted against women's healthcare and choice every time. His "healthcare plan" would take away medicare, give more tax breaks to the top 2%, and give people on medicare a voucher, and send them off to buy their own, private insurance. Romney has done so much pandering to the right wing, that I don't really believe he knows what he means anymore. I'd much prefer 4 more years of this president to the administration of Thurston Howell III!

Alligator
Alligator

Hold on. Maybe they don't have any real plans. Check out this clip from Faux news where Ryan says they haven't run any numbers on the budget, or how they will trim it. Courtesy of Mediamatters - http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/08/15/we-havent-run-the-numbers-a-startling-ryan-admi/189369

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bcjr

i'll agree that while that does happen, it also happens with the CNN and MSNBC crowd just as much. do you also chuckle at the hate romney crowd or is it just your guys? obama and romney and the related superpacs have ALL lobbed nasty words at each other. why no outrage over biden telling people that the right will put them in chains and shackles? why no outrage over the superpac ad about the guy blaming romney for his wifes cancer death? this has been one of the worst hate filled election processes yet. and honestly, its turning off alot of voters on both sides.

Dallas

This would be a good time to vacate to Holland or Belgium until Christmas, heck, make it NY's.

Roman

The business owner made a great point. Everybody has a taxpayer funded road, which is equal opportunity. Not everyone has a successful restaurant.

Perhaps MK will be more successful if we build a bridge in her front yard!

mel

There's no way any one of us could start a business in this day and age without utilities, policemen, firemen, roads, and a free country thanks to our tax funded military. Given those tools, sure, hard work comes next and more power to people who break their backs providing products and services we all need. But we gotta look beyond the end of our noses.

Alligator
Alligator

Its more than just infrastructure, its all the tax breaks, tifs, small business loans, and more.

Roman

Another boycott attempt, this time over a tshirt!

We saw how well that worked with chikfila.

No one will mistake you for an Einstein. A business owners job is whatever the owner decides it is.

opie1
opie1

He could have made a real statement by refusing to serve the presidents aids. That would be a statement, but he chose to act the fool while collecting those government controlled dollars that allows him to build his business.

The fact is no government to keep a level playing field, he would have no business, unless of course he had the biggest baddest gun around.

Bridget30

It was his right to express himself. Good for him.

Guy Fawkes
Guy Fawkes

Anybody who tries to punish a person financially for his political opinion and/or right to free speech is not a decent person to begin with.

juicy

Awe, stop all of the gabble gabble, and wait for the elections. Its going to be so many people with their foot so far up in their mouth, its going to take surgery to remove it. All these bias statements are unnecessary. Its obvious that no republican or democrat is going to change their vote. The election is in the hands of the independents and the Romney/Ryan ticket really need to get busy if they plan on claiming those seats. Not very impressive at the moment.

Wheezy
Wheezy

Ronmey's outright lies about Medicare cuts and welfare work requirements are disgusting. A hypocrite of the highest level.

bcjr

maybe you can show me a politician that isnt a hypocrite?

Wheezy
Wheezy

Does that make it ok?

bcjr

never said it did, but many on here like to think that their guy is "the one" when in reality they are all the same. each and every one of these politicians tells people what they want to hear to get elected. do any of you honestly think anything is going to change with a new face in the white house? sorry, but thats simply a pipe dream. nothing will change as long as everyone keeps blasting the other guy. at one time we were americans before we were left or right.

Marinebob

maybe you should watch obama taking credit for cutting $716B from medicare

gil_barrett

It's called "Obamacare" by the righties constantly, and now, because it's being proven to be working, who do you think should take the credit? Bo? You righties really are amazing in your bravado!

Six_String
Six_String

Proven to be working by whom? I just took a de-facto 10% pay cut because the company I work for shifted into a self-funded insurance program to save a few bucks.

Not working for me if I have to pay for Obama's amnesty-immigrants healthcare they'll get with their free SSN and state-issued IDs (thought those were going to be so hard to get to the poor for voting purposes).

Wheezy
Wheezy

The lie, of course, is that Obama is cutting benefits by $700 billion, which is explicitly stated in the latest dishonest ad.

Anyone on either side should want efforts to make Medicare more efficient and cost effective without cutting the services.

opie1
opie1

While the Romney campaign pours tens of millions of dollars into negative TV ads that independent fact-checkers continue to prove false.

Mitt Romney's in Ohio complaining about ... negativity! Chuckle, Chuckle, Chuckle...

Can it get any more bizarre? Romney's ads are 90 percent negative, and many are debunked almost as soon as they're aired. Anyone recall the trash this guy threw at his own GOP members during the primaries. He doesn`t a truthful bone in his body, and thinks all republicans are so ignorant that they will believe every thing he claims. Maybe they are but I do give most republicans a little more credit than to be duped by this fraud.

Roman

May come as surprise to opie, but Romney wasn't there...

opie1
opie1

I can understand when only 60 people show up.

You know as well as most do, Romney is not going to win this election. The GOP will be very lucky to hold the house since Ryan has forced all the republicans to defend their votes in support of the destruction of Medicare with a $6000 voucher. Call it what ever you like it`s still a voucher that will cover less than half the cost of their insurance.

Tax Returns Mitt--Tax Returns

bcjr

you do know that it would take an act of both houses of congress to fundamentally change medicare? campaign talking points is all this is. while we're on the subject, what would you on the left do to fix the coming $0 balance of medicare? everyone knows its going broke but nobody wants to make the hard decisions because they might lose votes. seems like a crappy way to run a country.

gil_barrett

Vote for Obama, that's how! Medicare has already started saving, as pointed out by the CBO, The Center for Tax Policy, and Politifact. The crappy way to govern would be to vote for the "Go Back Team", better known as Romney/Ryan.

bcjr

sorry gil, i cant vote for obama. mainly because i dont think he's that much smarter than biden. dont think i can vote for romney/ryan either. both sets have their good and bad points. just because you say romney/ryan would take us back doesnt make it so. unless you can see into the future, which i doubt. i have just over 80 days to figure out which one of these bozos to waste my vote on. its gonna be a tough decision.

Six_String
Six_String

Harry Reids & Pelosi's returns first, if you will. They have a lot more suspicious dealings than Romney (go find the "How did Reid get so wealthy" article. Quite enlightening).

mommakelly
mommakelly

Well, once again, the right wing has managed to embarrass the Quad Cities...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/iowa-deli-co-owner-caters-for-obama-visit-but-his-t-shirt-tells-another-story/2012/08/15/abde5208-e71e-11e1-936a-b801f1abab19_story.html

We are "ONE NATION". We are ONE COMMUNITY. We should be Americans first, a political agenda second.

How selfish and shortsighted can you be?

Deedub

Yes, like Obama buying beers for 10 people at the state fair , but not the one wearing a Romney t-shirt.

Six_String
Six_String

Not to mention he shut down the guys business for 3 hours at a prime beer-selling time (before and after a live show).

Ever wondered why people in England never liked the King showing up in town?

Roman

Political agenda second?! What exactly was the purpose of Obama's visit?

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bcjr

so your never going there because of a shirt? once again, kinda throws your one nation one community out the window. if he wore an obama shirt everything would have been fine, right? admit it, your not going because of his politics. your doing the same thing that your blasting him for.

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Six_String
Six_String

What's the name of the guy's business? Next time I need something catered, I'm going there.

bcjr

not everyone sees it as an embarrassment. when was the last time you said anything positive about the right? kinda throws your "one nation one community" thing out the window.

gil_barrett

A better question would be, when did the right do anything positive? Not in the last 2 elections, that's for sure! The party that spawned the "birthers", said that Obama was coming for your guns, now has an ad out by the "Conservative Majority Party", saying that "Obama is working with the U.N. to take away our guns", and now has Governor Mike Huckabee, who's supposed to be a preacher, lying by saying that "Obamacare" was "rammed down our throats", and telling the right-wing lie about it being the "largest tax increase in history", and now you're complaining about civility? Get serious!

bcjr

you mean right by you or right by everybody? is obama working with un to take small arms? honestly, i dont know. i guess if your gonna rail against huckabee, you might want to look at obama's rev. wright. maybe you should pick him apart. and yes, i am serious about the civility. apparently you are not. maybe you could show me where i havent been civil. and while your at it, show me where i complained.

ozyborn

Obama that he inherited a bad mess when he was first elected. Think of the cesspool he will inherit if he get elected again. Neither candidate has a clue and both will just sell us workers out and make our lives worse.

POPPY

Man is a great speaker and could sell a beat up Chevy like it was a new car, but in the end it's still a POS car being sold... He will buy his votes with his promises of entitlements and the sheep will follow

gil_barrett

Buy his votes?! Really?! Have you been paying attention to anything that's really going on? Do the names Sheldon Adelson, The Koch Brothers, Karl Rove, ring any bells? They have all said they would spend over $400 million dollars to make sure this president doesn't get re-elected, and you talk about buying votes? Also, he talks about medicare and Social Security because he wants to make sure they stay solvent for future generations, unlike righties, who have wanted to destroy both since the very beginning.

Six_String
Six_String

And how much have Obama's buddies like Buffett and Soros been willing to contribute? Pot. Kettle. Black.

Six_String
Six_String

I respectfully disagree with the "great speaker" comment. Uh, hmm, uh, uh, uh - Unless teleprompter-assisted.

Roy Munson

The guy who owns the Village Corner Deli and catered for Obama and his crew had on a shirt supporting Romney that had a message that said “Government didn’t build my business. I did.” LOL Well done sir! His picture and story are on Drudge. I think I will stop down at the Village Deli soon for a couple sammiches!

Alligator
Alligator

And I'm going to boycott him.

MrGadfly

Going there for lunch tomorrow! First Amendment at its finest!

shaft903

Whether you agree or disagree with the President on a particular issue, why would you go out of your way to insult ANY paying customer? As a business owner it makes no sense at all. If he felt that strongly about it, why take the job? Better to wait until the Romney campaign rolls into East Davenport.

Alligator
Alligator

And what a stand-up guy showing his appreciation to the President.

Over taxed

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2012/08/iowa-deli-owner-caters-obama-rally-wearing-romney-t-shirt/

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Deedub

alligator, ANY government improvements can only be done AFTER the government has taken the money from the private sector. Without a robust, thriving, private sector economy, our governments at all levels don't have one thin dime to spend on anything. Period. If all it took was roads and schools and other government infrastructure to make private sector success, then every other country in the world with solid infrastructure would be as successful and wealthy as the USA, but they are not. If all it took was government improvements to infrastructure to make a business successful, then why have millions of businesses failed? This narrative that the government is the root of private business success is hogwash. To open a private business and be successful today requires the business to do that in spite of government's onerous regulations that stifle the creation of business. They do not become successful because of government. The truth is that our government has the opportunity to be "successful" because of the private sector tax dollars collected by the government.

justwonderingwhy

Alligator and your friend Opie, get some air friend! You said, “Government wouldn't be here without the people and the workers and the businesses. Businesses wouldn't be here without the government.” Historic fact – business was conducted long before government existed and business transported their goods and service over paths and trails long before governments ever put in roads, buses and street lights. Oh by the way, yes government wouldn’t be here without people because it is “of the people, by the people and for the people”. Your party is not for ALL people and they have said so, with the you didn’t build that comment as just one example. Want others – Chicago Mayor comment about Christian values not being Chicago values and the Alderman who would prohibit the business from coming to his ward – inclusive or hate? What do you really want - an opportunity to move within the economic silo or someone to just give it to you without having to do anything?

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just curious

Alligator where does the government get the money for the improvements, small business loans, the Loop bus and untold many others like roads and bridges? That money comes from the American taxpayers. The govt does not have a factory some place generating money - it comes out of all of our pockets. The govt does let contracts for those things, but they are doing it with OUR MONEY. You, as well as the potus seem to have overlooked that fact , or was it ignorance?

tommycarlyle

Ignorance

gil_barrett

You're the ones who seem to have forgotten that. The president said that about tax payers in his speech, the one righties doctored to look like something different, which is their habit. I'm sure Obama had a laugh about that shirt, because he has a thick enough skin to take it, unlike "cry-baby" Romney, who can dish it out, but can't take it.

Downtrodden

The guy who owns the Village Corner Deli is just your typical GOP ditto-head, a walking contradiction. The government and Obama campaign literally gave him a ton of business that day. Did he give the food out for free? Doubtful. If you don't agree with the President, don't vote for him. Kind of tacky to wear the Romney T-Shirt after his opponent just threw you about $1,500 worth of business for the day. Classy. What did Romney do for him...they had a national chain cater his event. Some people just don't get it. That's ok, I prefer Waterfront Deli anyway.

opie1
opie1

Just a few undeniable facts to consider--A VP pick that turns out is even worse than Paylin, Amazing ,Thank you Mitt for the gift.

Romney's allies in conservative Super PACs have spent over $100 million attacking President Obama, but the president has been resilient, retaining his lead in both national and swing state polls.


Republican political operatives are panicking over Romney's selection of Paul Ryan, who has given Romney virtually no bounce and has been widely panned in key states like Florida

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Now Romney is even canceling campaign events in Florida due to "exhaustion." Right??

4America

You're talking about Biden right? And Obama's group aren't attacking Romney? And wasn't what Obama said yesterday the exact same things he said in 2008? And hasn't Obama been a complete FAILURE as a leader? Remember these things, I will reduce the deficit by half in my first term (it went from 10 trillion to 16 trillion in less than 4 years. I will close Gitmo (still open). I will bring all the troops home from Iraq and Afghanistan (still there). I will create 4 to 5 million jobs (why is unemployment still over 8%). Check out what Obama said in 2008 and what he said here yesterday. You will find out it sounds like broken promises. When a President is as bad a failure as Obama was, the truth sounds like attacks.

opie1
opie1

Thousands turn out to hear Obama, while 60 show up for Romney..
Says it all don`t it?

Your problem with Biden is simple. He tells it like it is and republicans just can`t handle the truth.

gil_barrett

Amen, opie1!

juicy

@4America, the complete failure would actually be congress and the dirty games that they have played for the past 3 1/2 years with your life, my life, and our future generations life. They have in every way refused to work with Obama. Why? At the same time, our econmic condition is worsening and you want to blame it on one man, right. It was said right there in Washington when Obama took office, and I quote "we are going to make sure that Obama is a one term president." And that's off the backs of all Americans, they didn't care who got hurt in the process. The reason why employment is still over 8% is for this very reason. The bottom line is, so people just have a lot of trouble adjusting to CHANGE, but at this rate, if this is the best that they have, it looks as if things will continue to move FORWARD.

tommycarlyle

democrats ran congress for 2 years before Obama became president. Obama was in the senate for those 2 years. Then Obama became president. Democrats ran congress for his first 2 years that were veto proof. That would be 4 years of democrat control of congress prior to the past 1 and 1 / 2.


Your democrat party is anti-business unless you pay the proper fee to the proper political player.

tommycarlyle

yet the only poll that matters is in November and the only dollars spent that should concern anybody would be the dollars coming out of each American individuals pocket, that pool of cash is getting smaller every day

gil_barrett

Wrong, I'm also worried about the billions of dollars these billionaires will spend to buy this election for Romney. What will they want in return? How will affect the middle-class? Medicare? Medicaid? Social Security? I'm concerned about all these things, and thanks to the Robert's Court, I have to.

opie1
opie1

A huge thank you to President Obama for calling attention to and thanking the greatest Congressman this district has ever had, Lane Evans. I have no doubt Cheri Bustos will do a bang up job following in your footsteps and making a name for herself as the 17th districts next great Congresswoman.

I wish you well Congressman Evans. It`s a shame what the great body you served honorable in for years has become.

Wedgebuster

"The Quads"? Uh...we dont call it that. Wise up, potus.

opie1
opie1

Those like you would nit pick if he called every city out by name with-in a 50 mile radius.

Thank you KWQC for the complete coverage of our president appearance.

Koch-Rove-ROMNEY the new Axis of Evil? G0P = Got 0 Principles­.

Alligator
Alligator

Actually a lot of people do.

milltownfan

Obama supporters: Thanks for the few dozen supporters that turned out in the village of East Davenport today. Even though he will lose in Novembar, we appreciate your support.

opie1
opie1

We don't care what you think or say about Obama. We want to know what you would do if (very big if) you were elected to office.

We also want to know why you would choose and ideological schoolboy who seems to have little real-life, real-world experience and who idolizes a Russian authors philosophies as a running mate..

bailaw
bailaw

3000 = "a few dozen"? Is that Romney/Ryan Reaganomics?

gil_barrett

What will you do when Romney Hood loses in November? Maybe you can go stay in his car elevator!

Over taxed

"MEDIC EMS reported a handful of dehydration cases as people waited in the East Village for the president."

Gee, I hope that John Ivens wasn't one of these people:

http://qctimes.com/news/opinion/mailbag/romney-visit-disappoints/article_73f744b2-ba8c-11e1-8fc3-0019bb2963f4.html

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Guy Fawkes
Guy Fawkes

I know a lot of elegant, wise, honorable and well-spoken people... that doesn't automatically qualify them for President. Obama has been over his head since the day he walked into the White House.

senor citizen

I would hope today that no Conservative will reply to any of the "Dear Mr. President" letters on their special day. They should have their day in the sun to bask in their Master's reflected glory. Roosevelt blamed Hoover and history is repeating itself. Obama has to blame W, and yet he said he would not run a second term unless the economy improved. He is described as being intelligent among other things, but is incompetent as a president and should go back to being a community organizer.

MrGadfly

Senor, it is a great day for the Quad Cities...It is very nice to have the President of our Great Country in town! This is probably his last visit to our great city with the pending election coming in Nov! We should remember this day and use this a learning experience for the youth on what not to do! I believe the schools of area should have their students read the book today, "The Emperor's New Clothes!"

MrGadfly

Why isn't the Times running stories about the cost and burden these Presidential visits put on our cities and police forces? I recall them when former President Bush was in town. Oh sorry I forgot this was Pravda!

Herky
Herky

I can't stand Obama, but I also can't stand the finger pointing on all the, "What does this trip cost us.". No matter how horrible of a President he is, these trips are no different than any of his predecessors to office. Now if you want to put the blame game on all his and his wife's lavish vacations, let the games begin!

MrGadfly

Herky, I do not care if and when any President comes to town. It is truly a great day for our city and our children. It is the President! My only point was the Times made a big deal about Bush's trips to the Quads and the costs associated. I laughed then, and just see the different opinion from the same rag this time around!

Over taxed

Can you point out the last time that a first lady flew in a seperate plane to the same event that her husband was campaigning at? I can't remember Hillary even doing that and she couldn't stand to be in the same room as Billy Bob.

gil_barrett

You can't stand him? but, you hide it so well! Horrible? How? All their "lavish vacations"? when? It's been proven that he has taken less time away from the WH than the last 2 presidents. Any president should go out to meet other people, no matter which party he comes from. That's only common sense. Sadly, Romney doesn't have the "common touch", the way Reagan, W., Clinton, and Obama do. That's a fact. Romney seems really wooden trying to reach out to those who aren't of the 2% as he is.

Herky
Herky

You mean the media is being biased? Isn't that the liberal way?! I am in 100% agreement with you MrGadfly, wasn't disagreeing with you at all! The Liberals can point fingers, complain, call out the Conservatives whenever they see fit, but when the exact same questions are asked of them, we're racist, or bigots. I personally can't wait until Obama is out of office!

gil_barrett

Well, hope you can stick around till 2016.

coffee cup
coffee cup

It's funny to watch you have a conversation with yourself Alphamale

Herky
Herky

And here comes the circus....

hawkeyecolts

The "Dear Leader" letters are creepy.

gil_barrett

Actually, senior, Hoover gave tax cuts in the middle of a recession, and that led to the great depression. That's a fact. Roosevelt put in place many work programs for the millions who didn't have jobs, and had a congress who tried it's best not to work with him. W.'s policies led to the great recession, also a fact. You see, it takes a democratic president to work to try and bring the economy back, usually with little or no help from republicans, but in spite of them. That's the history repeating itself.

hawkeyecolts

Does the Obama campaign reimburse the city for security costs?

Um_whatever
Um_whatever

Yes, I believe they do.

Yardbird

He's wasting his time and OUR money!

opie1
opie1

Translation;

Please stop asking me about my taxes....and my overseas bank accounts...and my religion....and my work history...and what I'm going to do with the country....and....

You poor republicans are really comical and close to desperation.

Contemptio

If Obama would just stay at the White House and do the job. He wouldn't have to travel the country with the same old "Blame Game Campaign".

The Senate hasn't passed a budget in over 1200 days.

Illinois is the nations future if we don't change the path we're on. Just look what Democrats are doing to Democrats in Illinois. Notice that Obama is staying very clear of all the action.

Guy Fawkes
Guy Fawkes

I wish more people would point out obvious flaws like this. No budget in 1200 days is simply unacceptable, especially when he ran on the idea of cutting the deficit in HALF in his first term (where he also expressed failure to do so would result in him being a one-term president). He's since added more debt than Bush but STILL running on the idea of cutting down the deficit. It's a joke only those most offended by it comprehend.

Given the fact that there's been no budget passed one could say Democrats haven't even TRIED to cut the deficit, much less in half. We haven't expected him to "solve it overnight" as he continues to say... we just ask they try and produce something that resembles a result.

The only budget Obama's thrown out there got ZERO votes, even from Democrats. It failed 99-0. He has no idea what he's doing, he has no idea how to get the country back on track and THAT is why he needs to go. We don't need 4 more years of such ineptness.

Alligator
Alligator

Great speech Mr. President.

just curious

Words, he has a lot of them but he just cannot manage to keep his word - like cutting the deficit in half . Something happened there - it magically grew by 6 TRILLION bucks. In '08 he vowed to bring both parties together - see how well they are getting along? He said he was a unifier - his campaign this time has all about division - some supposed war on women, some war on the wealthy. Just a small sample of how his lovely words are quickly forgotten and the real purpose is revealed. You can blame anything you want - but I can read and watch lots of different sources and see what has happened. We have heard every excuse in the book why things did not work for him but never the truth that he does not understand how free enterprise works.

Alligator
Alligator

That 99-0, 414-0 budget was proposed by a Republican, that merely pointed out highlights of a proposed Obama budget. It was not the actual budget, just political theater. But yes, they should pass something.

justwonderingwhy

And you want me to reply based upon having the facts. Does that only apply to people who think different than you do? Fact - it WAS the President's budget that went down 99-0, no republican budget ever made to the senate floor - Mr Reid made sure of that. FACTS Mr. Alligator FACTS

gil_barrett

Absolutely! The presidents jobs bill was even broken up into smaller portions, and still the republicans, wanting to obstruct more than help the country, refused to pass any of it. Meanwhile, they waste time, and taxpayer money, trying to defund Planned Parenthood, restrict a woman's right to choose, and to repeal Obamacare, completely ignoring the chance to put people back to work. The congressional record doesn't lie.

just curious

Obama's tired phrase about medicare "as we know it" is just that - tired. Medicare as we know it will be out of money - flat broke - in less than 12 years. What IS his plan? We know he has already taken 700 billion from medicare for obamacare - so what else does he have up his sleeve? It is great to pick on the other guys plan when you put YOUR plan out there for comparison. This country is borrowing 40 cents out of every dollor spent. Do you run your household like that? What about your small business? This great country is being diminished day by day. Medicare is going broke, Social Security is broke. Large cities have declared bankruptcy. California and Illinois are broke and can not pay their bills. Stop spending is THE answer. This prez has no intention of doing that. He is going around promising more and more as he campaigns - buying votes with our money. Stop the madness!

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