An Illinois Department of Natural Resources conservation officer shot and killed a cougar Wednesday on a farm near Morrison in rural Whiteside County, according to a news release issued by the department on Thursday.

Wildlife biologists will examine the remains of the cougar to learn more about the animal’s recent history and origin.

A Whiteside County farmer called the DNR Wednesday, reporting that a large cat was spotted leaving a cornfield and running toward the farmer's home and outbuildings. When the conservation police officer got to the farm, he checked a horse barn and lot and discovered the cougar in a concrete tunnel beneath a corn crib.

After discussing the situation with the farmer, his wife and DNR officials, the officer shot the cougar with a rifle. The cougar appeared to weigh more than 100 pounds and was 5 1/2 to 6 feet in length. Wildlife biologists will conduct a necropsy.

"It was a young male," DNR spokesman Chris McCloud said Thursday. "That is consistent with past incidents when young males roam away from home in search of food and mates."

Cougars, also known as mountain lions, were eliminated from Illinois before 1870 and are not protected by the Illinois Wildlife Code, according to the DNR release.There is no evidence that a resident breeding population exists in Illinois, but occasional transient cougars have been found in the state in recent years, likely dispersing from states to the west of Illinois, including South Dakota.

"There is no population that we are aware of," McCloud said. "Cougars have been documented in Iowa, Wisconsin and Missouri, all states that border Illinois."

He said that people seem to think the sightings of cougars increases in the fall and winter. 

"That's because it's hunting season, and everybody's out looking for things," McCloud said. "People have trail cameras up looking for deer and other game."

According to the DNR, there have been three confirmed cougars in Illinois between 2002 and 2008. A male was killed by a train in Randolph County in 2002. Another male was killed by a hunter in Mercer County in 2004. A third male was shot and killed on the north side of Chicago in 2008. Although analysis indicates these three animals were genetically similar to mountain lions from South Dakota, their history in the wild is uncertain.

More recently, images taken by trail cameras in Jo Daviess County in September 2012 and in Morgan, Pike and Calhoun counties in October and November 2012 were confirmed by DNR as showing a live cougar. Given the long distances typically traveled by cougars and the proximity of the counties, especially Calhoun, Morgan and Pike, it is possible the camera images may show the same animal, the DNR said.

For more information on cougars, check the Living with Wildlife in Illinois website at web.extension.illinois.edu/wildlife.

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JONDO
JONDO

It would be a different story if the animal had a gun.Thr wouldn't be so many big brave hunters out then.

HA HA
HA HA

SAD! ! Completely disagree with killing these cougars! Really 3 sightings in the last decade…This is a real big threat?!?. We should be embracing these animals for what they can do for our local environment like kill off the over population of deer that people hit with their cars and cause millions of dollars of damage annually. Other states have indigenous animals like this and they deal with it. Come on Illinois and Iowa these animals should be protected by the Wildlife Codes. By the way, I’m not a ‘tree hugger’ just a realist that thinks we should deal with this issue and not kill at 1st sight.

Shef

To all of you tree hugged crying about this: if you have roaches or ants in your house do you relocate them? Most likely not. What's the matter? Roaches and ants aren't furry or cute enough for you? Hippocrates!

Xochitl
Xochitl

My , my, how judgmental of you. Do you ever have a thought with any depth at all? Try reading through the comments and coming up with an actual comment, something with a bit of intelligence behind it. To dismiss those who disagree with killing a cougar as "tree huggers" and hypoocrites" does not reflect well on your powers of reasoning.

longjohn412

If I were to use that logic I'd have to start eliminating you and other Wingnutz like you .....

geoff
geoff

Good riddance to bad rubish! Exterminate: cougars, bears, wolves and other North American predators, before its to late.........

Stonecold
Stonecold

I see another useful idiot has arrived on the scene. :-)

longjohn412

You do know YOU are a Predator too ......

If I were to use your logic I'd have to eliminate you first because you are the most dangerous North American Predator of all ......

longjohn412

A little education on the cougar including the very technical procedure on how to capture and properly tranquilize a cougar (And I seriously doubt IL DNR officers carry around the proper dosages for the variety of weights much less the actual training and experience necessary)

http://www.cougarnet.org/Assets/pumafieldguide.pdf

Other chapters include what it takes and what would be practical if you want to sensibly re-introduce cougar populations in Illinois. I will warn you have two major obstacles to overcome .... getting it through the IL legislature ..... and making a contiguous 1/4 mile corridor across Iowa and into the closest known established populations in the Dakotas ....

Good luck

Xochitl
Xochitl

Thanks for the education on cougars. You have shown what many of us already know. They are remarkable , powerful, intelligent hunting machines. They are also shy and very elusive. None of your information tells us why in this instance just leaving the animal alone would not have been the best option. It did not need to be tranquilized. It did not need t be moved. If left alone, more than likely, no one would have ever seen it agin. The argument that we have to destroy it, and by extension, any others that may wander by, because of what they COULD do is invalid.

longjohn412

Would you want a cougar in your backyard threatening your children, your pets and your livestock

That's just utopian nonsense ..

It does NO GOOD to introduce males without females for mates, it fact it's dumb as dirt

Females do roam far so ther are few east of the Missouri River and practically none east of the Little Sioux River bordering Iowa .... In order to have healthy populations you have to provide 1/4 wide corridors for the males to travel between female population because if you don't they will go extinct due to inbreeding like what almost happened in Florida

You need a minimum of 850 square miles of mostly wilderness to support even a small population of cougars and that hasn't been available in Illinois in a century or more ..... That's why they are all from the Dakotas and westward where there are still large tracts of wilderness to support a healthy breeding population

You can NOT take away all their habitat and expect them to thrive because it's simply against all the laws of nature .... Feel good environmentalism does more harm than good nearly every time .... You can't change past History

Xochitl
Xochitl

I willingly concede you have MUCH more knowledge about cougars than I do. I am not an expert, I haven't even seen one, except in a zoo. However, in THIS instance. I am not talking about their reintroduction , I am talking about this solitary animal, I still believe it was not necessary to kill it. Nor to tranquilize and move it. Would I want a cougar in my backyard? No. I live in the city. But if I lived in the country, and saw one, my first instance would be to leave it alone, not to have it killed. If that had been done, the animal would have wandered off and not be seen again. Do you believe this is the only cougar around here? I don't, I believe there are more. Not many probably, but more. And they don't seem to be killing kids, livestock or dogs. They are killing and eating deer, you know that. Is it your opinion we need to kill all of them? This poor animal had the bad luck to be seen, and to be seen by someone who was fine with killing it.

longjohn412

People the North Amercan Cougar s the Apex Predator of this continent

Theior leg length to diameter ratio is greater than any other of the big cats make t6hem pound for pound the most powerful

85% accuracy in strike rate (Wolf comes in around 2%)

In a battle between a cougar and a single wolf (Which usually inplies it's a full grown large male) the cougar will almost always win

You can find numerous instances in the last 200 years of a cougar killing a black bear and even the grizzly bear .... I have yet to see a single instance of the opposite, a black or grizzly killing a cougar .... They wait for the bear to stand on it's back legs then it leaps and digs in the neck or shoulder with it's teeth and then uses it's back claws to literally shred the bear's chest and abdomen to ribbons leaving it too weak to stop the killshot to the throat

Even if captured this animal would have had to been destroyed, there4 is simply no place for it anymore and wishful thinking and Feel Good Environmentalism won't change those facts ..... On population control or increasing their habitat significantly can change the outcome to events like these

That's the Adult Reality here people

longjohn412

The Florida Panther wasn't nearly wiped out by man alone, it was also a product of inbreeding and the evidence for that is the introduction of healthy genetically diverse cougars have thrived. But there is habitat in Florida to hold them that simply no longer exists on a large enough scale in Illinois .... And besides there are no females ....

The Florida panther was listed as endangered in 1995, when eight Texas female cougars were released in South Florida in a last effort to save them from extinction. It worked. The Florida panther, it turned out, is a North American cougar whose kinked tails, heart defects, small litters and short lives were consequences of prolonged inbreeding. From fewer than 30 in 1995, the panther population in southwestern Florida has grown to more than 150.

LandMinder

The BIG LIE regarding deer hunting was recently exposed on an episode of "The Great Outdoors" program, broadcast on WGN-AM. On it, the host, Charlie Potter, noted that the Wisconsin deer herd had been dramatically reduced, while predator numbers had increased. Now, if we allow for the argument for hunting, which is that it is needed to bring deer numbers down, for many of the reasons noted above, one would have to say that a balance had been struck, and that the course being followed to our north was the correct one. Unfortunately, not the case. Potter instead insisted that licenses to hunt predators must now be increased. Why? Well, because an increase in the numbers of bears and wolves was "jeopardizing" the hunting industry (premised on the killing of prey animals), and all of the associated dollars that are derived from it, including fees charged for licenses that go toward funding state conservation programs, etc. So, in other words, deer hunting has nothing to do with thinning the herd, but everything to do with burnishing a blood sport that helps fill corporate tillers and state coffers. Wildlife, be damned. And the only "threat" that cougar represented was a potential threat to this same version of what some Tea Party reps refer to as "crony capitalism"; i.e., the millions of hunting dollars, whose true color is blood red.'

longjohn412

REALITY CHECK

During an aerial survey at the Kofa National Wildlife Refuge in southwestern Arizona in 2000, “what looked like three golden retrievers” were spotted on a stone outcrop, recalled Susanna Henry, the refuge manager. They were cougars — probably mother and children.

“In the following years the population of bighorn sheep at the refuge began to decline precipitously, from 800 at the turn of the century to 620 in 2003 and 390 in 2006,” Ms. Henry said. Since then, the sheep count appears to have stabilized at a bit over 400.

That's a 50% reduction in the Big Horn population in just 5 or 6 years ..... You simply can NOT destroy 90% of the habitat of North America and then expect Nature to work correctly .....

You break it, you buy it .... That's called taking Responsibility. In this case Responsibility means either increasing their habitat or controlling both their numbers and their range

udontknow

My 6 yr old girl who is a major cat lover saw the pictures this morning.....she was mortified. ...why did we need to see "the kill"?.....really set my day off crappy to see such a barbaric act proudly displayed in the paper.....a short article would of been suffice. ...

Klaatu
Klaatu

Seriously? Does your child ride in your vehicle? Hasn't your child witnessed a good many gory road kills on the highway? You could point out to her that a real cougar isn't like the ones in the Disney movies. They don't talk, they don't have any emotions or remorse. It would see your daughter and anyone within a hundred pounds of its own body weight as potential prey. There is no blood in the picture, no mess. It isn't graphic in any legitimate sense of the word. Kids need to know that wild animals are not fuzzy stuffed toys.

udontknow

Actually my daughter is quite intelligent, as is her mother ...and of course she has seen road kill...do I point it out to her?...no.....probably the biggest reason being as I stated in my previous post ...we do not enjoy seeing dead animals. ...and seeing a rabbit or squirrel coming to an unfortunate demise in the road, is quite different than seeing a big cat slain in the back of a pickup...I have worked in the rehabilitation of wildlife for many yrs of my life and am sharing my knowledge with my daughter....but thank you for informing us that there are cougars in Disney movies..it is comforting to think of someone (you) who appears so incensitive to a 6 yr olds feelings ...watches disney movies.:)...my daughter prefers national geographic, or animal planet.....

Stonecold
Stonecold

klaatu prefers listening rush limbaugh over anything educational. :-)

longjohn412

Yet you probably throw dead animal on her plate with every meal .....

An intelligent parent wou8ld have told the child the cougar was sleeping, it's not like it's covered in blood with a gaping bullet wound showing. It look like it was a good clean shot in much less than optimum conditions

You have three choices

Increase their habitat

Cull their numbers and control their range

Or be irresponsible Idiots

Take your pick because those are the only valid choices here and frankly the third isn't a choice IMO

Klaatu
Klaatu

Stone Cold lives in an alternate universe in which reality rarely intrudes. Time to grow up and put away childish things.

Stonecold
Stonecold

klaatu’s universe revolves around the pig of propaganda, rush limbaugh.

He never roams outside that universe, because his ambition is to be just like his hero, limbaugh.

klaatu, is simply a limbaugh wanna-be. :-)

justanopinion

Ok, you think Klaatu is a Limbaugh wanna-be. We get it... Now find a new line, this one is getting old. You use it every time the two of you have your little spats.

Xochitl
Xochitl

"That is consistent with past incidents when young males roam away from home in search of food and mates." So, it wandered away from "home"? Shouldn't it read... "it wandered here looking for a home and we don't want it here"? More in line with the truth.

TruthOnlyBeTold
TruthOnlyBeTold

Jenna, if I were to spot a cougar while hunting in the woods, the cougar would live...if I spot a cougar in my backyard, which is my dogs domain, I would do all I legally could to make sure the cougar never came back, which would include having the cougar killed, if needed....it's pretty simple.

I do not pretend to walk in that farmers shoes or the DNR officers shoes...and neither should you...and that is apparently something you need to learn. To condemn the farmer and DNR officer without knowing all the facts is just plain wrong.

Constitutionalist

Jenna the people who want the deer heard reduced, the ones pushing for more hunting, are the car insurance companies and farmers, hunters actually want larger deer numbers. Secondly your natural death hypothesis is flawed because real nature doesn't present itself with fields upon fields of corn and soybeans. In the 1960's there were small numbers of deer, but now that deer have adapted to the large food sources and expanded and the only way to manage them is to quit farming or hunt them. However before deer die off from starvation they inbreed causing genetic problems, which in the end will ruin the heard for good. Nature has a food chain and humans are at the top so it is our duty to manage the ecosystem.

Xochitl
Xochitl

The deer herd is too big, but we have to kill anything which might help keep it under control? That's what I'm getting. Don't let a cougar roam around because it could hurt a dog or cat or child. It hasn't. And it won't. But kill it anyway! Why do we think it came here? For food, .... read DEER. The ecosystem NEEDS predators, is this a surprise to anyone? If wolves show up, we gonna kill them too? How about rattlesnakes, we already have them, we gonna hunt and kill all of them too? Coyotes? Oh sorry we love to kill them, right?

TruthOnlyBeTold
TruthOnlyBeTold

"Don't let a cougar roam around because it could hurt a dog or cat or child. It hasn't. And it won't."

It won't?....Oh my....never say never

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_cougar_attacks_in_North_America
http://www.igorilla.com/gorilla/animal/cougar_attacks_increasing.html
http://www.spokesman.com/blogs/boise/2013/may/22/mountain-lion-attacked-dogs-three-adjacent-fenced-back-yards-surprise-valley-two-dogs-died/


Xochitl
Xochitl

You of course are correct that nothing is ever absolute.
OK, let me rephrase, the chance it will hurt a child is much less likely than that a dog will kill a child, another dog or a chicken. How's that? No comment on the need for predators? Should we just get rid of them all?

TruthOnlyBeTold
TruthOnlyBeTold

I do agree that natural predators of deer, or any animal species, are needed. And I trust the DNR to regulate the number of coyotes taken each year so that they do not become extinct. Same for cougars...I think if cougars increase in numbers, there should be some regulations established. But if I had been in that farmers shoes, I would have come to the same sad decision.

Xochitl
Xochitl

I respect your answer. But I have a question ... why would you have killed the animal instead of just leaving it alone? It was not a threat. It was just living it's life and wandered to the wrong spot, if left alone it much more than likely would have wandered off somewhere else and never been seen again. Do you disagree with that statement? Of course, if it was a threat, it should be destroyed. But to see a cougar near a farm is not, in and of itself, a threat.

deerslayer

Jenna W none of what you are saying makes any sense. Hunters in this country are what keep wildlife abundant. Our license cost and fees that we pay for the right to hunt go towards conservation and preservation. The statement that Constitutionalist made about the DNR giving out too many doe tags is exactly what has happened in the state of Iowa. Hunting has become such a money maker for the DNR that they have over exceeded their boundaries when it comes to number of doe tags issued each year. Anyway that's a different topic. I just wanted to weigh in one last time to tell you that your statements are wrong and I have done the research and I do know what I'm talking about.

Jenna W

deerslayer - I am not wrong. Do more research, and not just one pro-hunting websites. Hunters do not care about conservation or preservation.. That is the biggest joke. If you cared about wildlife you wouldn't be killing the wildlife, you would let NATURE take its course. Everything I said made complete sense. I wish you would specify what parts didn't make sense, and correct me on those points. I am 100% right. Don't just say that I am completely wrong and not tell me why.

Constitutionalist

The deer herd hit an all time of 650,000 in 2006, since then the state of Iowa has given out way to many doe tags and the heard is at 450,000. That said tell me how killing more deer doesn't thin the heard and also why would you want deer to die of starvation rather than being humanly killed by a bullet or arrow?

Jenna W

Humanely killed by an arrow?? haha! Yeah, so risk the arrow not killing the deer and let the deer have an arrow stuck in them and die a slow painful death somewhere else. The basic point that I am making is that Nature has it's own way of taking care of things.. of course I don't like the idea of anything starving to death, but that is Nature's way. Lastly, I already said how killing more deer doesn't thin the heard.. YES, it thins the heard temporarily, but if you are looking for a permanent solution to the overpopulation of deer, that is not the way to do it. All hunting does is leave the fawn without their mother or father to care for them.. Leaving the fawn without a mother to fend for itself is reason enough not to hunt.

Jenna W

The overpopulation of deer is caused BY HUNTING. Hunting thins the heard TEMPORARILY. The less deer (caused by hunting) the more food and nutrition the rest of the deer have available... The more food and nutrition they have available, the more they are ABLE to procreate.. If people/hunters would LEAVE deer alone (during hunting season, etc) nature would takes its course (like it is supposed to) and there wouldn't be enough food to feed all of the deer and the deer would naturally die off because of the lack of food and nutrients. When deer do not get the nutrition because of the lack of food supply available, they are NOT able to procreate - thus reducing the deer population. ALL hunting does is keep the population growing.. It is so ignorant to think that hunting causes the deer population to decrease, because IT DOESN'T. People do NOT want to genuinely thin the deer population - because if the deer population was thinned there would be NOT enough deer for the elmer fudds to hunt. They want to continue their "man-less sport" so they are really not interested in doing anything to thin the heard for the long run. This is just an excuse for the rednecks to kill more. People need to do their own research and learn the facts. Such phonies.

Klaatu
Klaatu

You are an absolute idiot. That is the dumbest thing I have ever read. Overpopulation is caused by a lack of predation from natural predators to hunting. Overhunting is NOT a problem anymore. Hunting has steadily declined as idiots like you have made it harder and more expensive. You have just made up a stream of lies that boggle the imagination.

Jenna W

Good, I am glad hunting has declined. I made up a stream of lies? http://www.examiner.com/article/realities-of-hunting-as-a-population-control-why-there-are-so-many-deer-today ... You are the idiot, Klaatu. Do some research you sheeple.

Klaatu
Klaatu

Santa Claus will visit soon. Perhaps he will bring you some common sense.

Asylum
Asylum

For someone that makes Rants & Raves on so many threads, you should be the last person to call anyone an "absolute idiot", I suggest you look into a mirror. Although this will be a waste of my time, show proof, like credible websites that show that overhunting is not a problem anymore....but we all know you won't, you've been called out dozens of times to back up your mouth, but never come back with credible sources..in fact you never come back with anything but more Rants & Raves.

TruthOnlyBeTold
TruthOnlyBeTold

I get it Jenna, allowing a deer to die slowly from disease is much more humane.

http://www.dnr.state.md.us/wildlife/Hunt_Trap/deer/disease/cwdinformation.asp
http://deer.fw.msu.edu/management/disease.php/

As far as tranquilizing the Cougar goes, did you ever think while you were second guessing the DNR officer and farmers' judgment, that maybe the officer had no tranquilizer darts with him at the time and that maybe the Cougar was not going to hang around while they got some? Was killing the Cougar the only choice? I have no idea, because I wasn't there, and neither were you, All I can do is trust the judgment of the people that were there at the time....and I do.

Jenna W

farmer's judgement?? what? lol Oh yes, cause I am sure that the farmer gave two s*its whether or not the cougar was killed for a valid reason other than simply being on his property. So if the DNR officer might not have had a tranquilizer on him, I guess the only intention he had was to kill the cougar from the get-go.. there obviously wasn't any intention on saving the cougar in the first place then. I think the farmer and the DNR officer were just looking for a quick fix.. You don't kill an animal when there is no reason to kill it. Also, if they were worried that the cougar wouldn't hang around long enough for the DNR to get darts, doesn't that mean problem solved? The complaint was that the cougar was on that farmer's property...so if the cougar leaves, what else needs to be done?

Jenna W

TruthOnly...People like you are the problem with society..they don't ask enough questions or challenge final decisions..people have become extremely passive and they stand for nothing...their mindset is, "It's whatever". Duhh! -_- Wake up!

Xochitl
Xochitl

You are correct, the officer more than likely did not have any tranquilizer darts. My question is, why not just go in the house and leave the thing alone? It would have been gone, never to be seen again, in an hour, more than likely. The animal was not a threat. I imagine it wanted nothing more than to get out of there. The area is timber all around. Instead? We have to step in and "FIX" the situation.

Jenna W

Typical dumb hick town for you. They could've tranquilized the cougar and relocated it instead of killing it. I hate how people are always saying, "well what if it were to kill a human" or "protect the people".. how about protecting the animal!??! We decide to build on almost all land (the only areas animals have to live) and then god forbid we happen to see a living animal roaming in our backyards we FREAK OUT and destroy it. We are building and living on THEIR land and claiming it to be only for humans..It gets so annoying and sad to see people all about themselves, and not caring about nature or animal's rights... We feel the right to kill any animal we want just because it is simply living it's life in the wrong "area".. It is so obviously wrong. If only animals had a rifle and could kill any dumb human that stepped in the woods or on untouched land. Kill Kill Kill that's the only answer - Such BS! This just reinforces to me that humans deserve everything that happens to them... Ok, rant done! *sigh*

deerslayer

I am an avid hunter and I think the killing of this cougar is wrong. It should have just been left alone but unfortunately that's not the way people react to situations like this. The only question I would have is what was gained by killing this creature? Don't say well at least no one was attacked or killed. The odds of that happening are so slim that it justifies no argument. The fact is that cougars do live here and are so rarely seen that when one wonders into someone's backyard people have to make a big deal out of it. Just so you know I'm not a bleeding heart liberal I'm just a person who wishes more people used common sense instead of knee jerk reactions.

TruthOnlyBeTold
TruthOnlyBeTold

I agree that killing a cougar for no good reason is not right. But when an animal like this, that is rarely seen because its natural instinct is to stay in seclusion and hunt for deer and other small animals, boldly comes out of that seclusion to farm buildings, then maybe something is wrong with it? To say, "just leave it alone", to me is risky, because there is no way of knowing for sure what this cougar would do in the future, since it is obviously not doing what cougars normally do. If I had been in the shoes of that farmer, I would have done the same...asked the DNR officer to kill it.

Xochitl
Xochitl

Really? So, with that rationale whenever we see a cougar we should kill it? Really??? Cause if we see it soothing is wrong with it?

TruthOnlyBeTold
TruthOnlyBeTold

Well, I do believe my first sentence above said that killing a cougar for no good reason is not right. If I ever should see a cougar in its natural habitat, I assure you I would only shoot the cougar with a telephoto lens.

We don't know from the article what this farmer raises to support his livelihood. Suppose he raises hogs, cattle or chickens. Does he not have the right to protect his livestock from predators? Suppose the cougar was just left alone, what makes you think it wouldn't come back? How many pigs or chickens or calves should this farmer allow to be killed before he takes action, just to satisfy those that would rather see the cougar live?

When I was young, my maternal grandparents kept guineas on their farm. They were allowed to roam the farm loose. I asked my grandmother once why they were not penned up like they did with the chickens. Her answer was simple...guineas make excellent watchdogs....they make a loud ruckus when a predator comes around, human or animal. So if the guineas started making a ruckus at 2AM, my grandfather would get out his 22 cal. rifle and attempt to shoot the varmint that was threatening his livelihood, unless it was a human varmint, then he used rock salt in his shotgun....if the varmint was lucky.

GreenQueen

I used to live in rural Whiteside County! We saw a cougar running across our farm, I was happy to see that they might be repopulating. People have fear of the unknown. We sure didn't call the police and the DNR or shoot it. I am not sure why they felt the need to kill it. Mainly they eat raccoons and possums, are very elusive and mind their own business. I did have a few worries that they might kill our young livestock but none of them were ever harmed. I think they should have left it alone.

realitycheck52314

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JpIhYlt4SQ

realitycheck52314

I think that they should have just called you lilbear and let you deal with it all by YOURSELF. Hey I'll buy the depends for you when they drop him off at your house.

windy24

I have read the comments and just a couple of question that the DNR should answer . Why couldn't they have just relocated the lion ? A bunch of what ifs , Why was killing it the only way.
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TruthOnlyBeTold
TruthOnlyBeTold

See comments by Lefty0377 to answer your questions....couldn't put it better.

I'd bet the DNR officer took no pride in shooting this beautiful animal. It's sad that this cougar ventured so far from it's natural habitat but the fact that it was near buildings in search of food should tell you that a real tragedy was possible and the officer did the right thing. If it had been stalking a playground, would people still be upset?

Lefty0377

lilbearr - your inability to use punctuation and grade school grammar is, as you so intelligently stated above about this situation, "just plan sad."

That being said, all those here who seem to want to arm chair quarterback the DNR's handling of the situation.. I'm sure you've dealt with mountain lions on occasion yourself, huh. "Just trap it," like it's a 25 lb. raccoon. Good call, I'm sure that would have worked out well. This is a 100 lb. mountain lion, and although I hate to see it die as well, the DNR representative had to do what was necessary to protect the safety of humans. If he chose to just trap it, and someone got hurt, the same folks crying foul over the fact that this animal was killed would be questioning his judgement as well.

realitycheck52314

Agreed

tweatherford
tweatherford

Macoupin County / Carlinville last month.

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=10202239030607177&set=a.1397434785880.55088.1532568512&type=1&ref=nf

http://www.heartlandoutdoors.com/tims/story/another_illinois_mountain_lion/

longjohn412

Fracking out West is driving these creature east in search of new habitat ...... Cause and effect

Klaatu
Klaatu

Nonsense. Cougar populations have been exploding for the last thirty years. They are predators with great range. They follow food, and we have millions of white tail deer for them to feed on. Not to mention small humans, children and pets.

longjohn412

If that were true then why don't they stay here instead of moving further and further east?

Because there are no females in Iowa so we do NOT have what they need to survive as a species .... but neither do states further east .... So they'll just go until they hit the ocean, cougar with the Dakota genetic markers have been found as far east as Connecticut in recent years (2011)

What good is that for them or us?

Merlotsucks5

We live in an area with about 50 children. I thought she was crazy but I believe now

GOD

لا تقتل الحيوانات عاجز

Merlotsucks5

My wife thinks she saw one on Saturday. Does anyone have a number to call to report it?

hawkbettfan2

Pathetic. QCTimes would do nice to put a disclaimer on the photo and state graphic image. I feel for the animals that become displaced and then killed. I understand conservation and ethical hunting rights but there was another outcome here and the lazy option was taken.

longjohn412

There are only two choices

Thin the herd

Give them back their habitat

And we both know that'll never happen any more than us than giving back the land to the original rightful owners

Klaatu
Klaatu

The rightful owners already have the land, doofus. Maybe you should give up the land your house sits on and start the ball rolling.

dyana

Signed up just to comment on this article..... what cold hearted humans.... both the farmer and the officer...there was NO reason for the killing of the cougar... I am sure the best resolution time this could have been solved with a call to niabi zoo..I am sure they could have relocated this animal it not able time keep it...again....boo to the farmer and officer for making this choice on their own..losers

Klaatu
Klaatu

Just what do you know about live trapping a large cougar? The DNR officer, who is the expert here, determined the best thing to do was to shoot it. He doesn't carry a trap big enough for a cougar around in his back pocket. A trap would have to be set and baited, and the animal just might decide to move on a bit, then livestock and people would be at risk. You make it sound so darned simple and easy, and it is anything but.

Chloe
Chloe

Why did it have to be killed? Relocate it back to the Dakotas like they did for the Brown Bears during the floods in past years. The Bears were relocated? Ridiculous!

Klaatu
Klaatu

The Bears were relocated? When did they leave Chicago? They played at Soldier Field last Sunday!

WU
WU

This just makes me sick! Trap the animal and relocate it..These fools just want to kill everything these days. He was in a tunnel for gods sake..,how hard is it to trap. I am so pissed!

LinkMan

Is it standard practice at QC Times to simply plagiarize the last three paragraphs of a story?

http://web.extension.illinois.edu/wildlife/directory_show.cfm?species=mountainlion

Xochitl
Xochitl

What right did you have to kill this animal? It wasn't threatening anyone. It was living it's life, causing no one any problems. It was near a home, ok. So? It wandered in and it would have wandered out. There are no cases of anyone being injured by a cougar in the state are there? Why is it some people believe they have the right to kill other living things because they can? Shouldn't there be a valid reason to do so, other than "I wanted it dead"? Doesn't the bible say thou shall not kill? Here's a thought, maybe it means innocent carnivores too.

Creed

You guys are just a bunch of bleeding heart liberals. Seriously, this is not a big deal. If a cougar being shot is the worst thing that happens all year, then we're in good shape. You should take the time to read this:
http://www.aws.vcn.com/mountain_lion_fact_sheet.html

Especially the part about mountain lions are one of the few animals that will "kill for the sake of killing". I hope you can see the irony here.

snowman05

Well said Creed. It's ok to kill other life but not this cougar.

Xochitl
Xochitl

Another animal which kills occasionally just for the pleasure of it are dogs. It has happened here several times in the past few years. You gonna kill them too? No one said or believes it is the worst thing to happen all year, that is a dumb argument. If the animal was a threat in any way, that would be one thing. It was not. It would have wandered off into the timber and not caused a problem. It's ok to kill an animal if there is a reason. But if the reason is, "I want to", that is not sufficient, in my opinion.

Creed

Fact of the matter is that this is a wild animal with animal instincts. God forbid that this animal were to end up attacking an innocent child because someone is that concerned about its precious life. What makes this animals life more important than a cow, chicken, or hog? If the DNR rep would have put this cougar on a spit and bar-b-qued it for the neighbors, would you still be crying yourself to sleep tonight?

longjohn412

Dangerous dogs get put down all the time, likely several every day across the US .....

If this animal mauled some kid then you'd be whining because they didn't kill it fast enough

This cougar ended up in Illinois for one reason ..... It's native habitat can no longer hold their numbers so off they go looking for new habitat that simply does not exist anymore and likely never will again short of an apocalyptic event that pares down mankind's numbers.

Again there are only 2 valid choices here and this includes all wild creatures

Thin the herd to match the remaining habitat

Tear down homes and farms and give the habitat back so there is enough habitat to support their numbers (And we all know that isn't going to happen)

longjohn412

Actually Creed cougar is pretty tasty if prepared properly. I had a little at a wild game feed once

But more likely this cougar will end up at the U of Ill. for study so it's not entirely wasted. Hopefully they can fiogure out where it came from and why it's habitat could no provide for it

This is just one of the consequences of Fracking and drilling out West where they are coming from

longjohn412

So how many people here would volunteer to crawl into the tunnel beneath a corn crib and try to snare that cougar?

Or maybe I should ask

How many people here are dumber than dirt?

Klaatu
Klaatu

Just what process or special power that you have is it that allows you to determine with certainty that the cougar would have "wandered off" and never been a problem? Are you really that naive? There have been many cougar attacks in the US, some of them resulting in deaths. Have you ever encountered one in the wild? That is a big tabby. I once saw a bobcat in the wild a little too close for comfort and it scared the heck out of me. And that bobcat was a fraction the size of that cougar.

Bowhunt

Genesis 27:3 "Now then, please take your gear, your quiver and your bow, and go out to the field and hunt game for me"
Hi, Xochitl. I am not totally disagreeing with all you said. But, I have to correct misinformation you are giving. The Sixth Commandment you referred to is concerning the killing of humans maliciously. See, God made us in HIS image. Many animals were slain in his name. Many people even pray over animals after they hunt them. Now, likewise...I do wish they would have sedated and relocated the lion, however, you must know how these animals work. It was just passing through but it came very close to people. Numbers are low on animal/lion interactions but once it does come this close to human interaction even relocating said animal seems worrisome. Now, I hunt for my food ---and I do so while giving thanks for having the opportunity given to me. I wouldn't hunt a mountain lion as I wouldn't eat a mountain lion but still...do not bash other people because you wouldn't do it when your reasoning for hunters being awful is incorrect. :) Have a great day!

Xochitl
Xochitl

Thanks for your response. I am in no way opposed to hunting for food. I eat meat, I wear leather. Killing an animal for no other reason than "I want to" is wrong in my book. I believe we were given dominion over the earth with the understanding we be it's stewards. Take what we need gratefully and save and protect that which we do not. We do not have the right to squander the earth's riches for trivial reasons. This in my book was trivial in the extreme.

longjohn412

Yet we all kill thousands of creatures every year by destroying their habitat, polluting their environment and removing all their food sources ..... How many animals drowned because of what we've done to the rivers and wetlands that's causing this massive flooding every year

We have two choices

Thin the herd to match the habitat

Give back their habitat to match their numbers

Anything else is just wishful thinking and moral equivocation

I'd rather see that animal quickly killed by a bullet than a long slow death from starvation or disease ..... or locked in a cage

Bowhunt

Also, I was not stating that you are anti-hunters but I don't like the thought that I am hunting against God's wishes is that is just not so.

Xochitl
Xochitl

I think we are on the same page....

Klaatu
Klaatu

Stop quoting the Bible. Please. You obviously don't realize that the Commandment you cited was the rules for dealing with other people.

Over taxed

Couldn't agree more, lilbearr. This clown is supposed to be tere to protect the wildlife.

Klaatu
Klaatu

No, his job is much more than that. It is also to protect the public and properly administer the conservation rules. There is no prohibition on killing a cougar. The farmer could have legally shot it, just as he can legally shoot a coyote on his property.

lilbearr

I don't see why they had to kill it why couldn't they have traq it instead of killing it and relocate it I just don't seem why people do that he was probably just looking for food or warmth they could of did it differently it just sound like someone ego got in the way * I'm a big tough guy I shot a cougar* just plan sad

longjohn412

If there were a place for it it wouldn't have ended up clear over in Illinois in the 1st place

Cougars just don't take off from their native habitat for no reason, they do it when the resources have run too low to support the population ... and that's exactly what is happening out West with all the Fracking and drilling and pipeline construction and everything that comes with that including increased population of humans.

Over taxed

Illinois is their native habitat. They were likely here before people were.

longjohn412

Not anymore and not for a very long time ......

Cougar habitat does NOT include houses and farms and businesses and roads and railways and locks and dams thousands of people per square mile

They are coming out of the Dakotas and heading east in search of food AND mates ... Problem is there are no mates east of the Missouri so they've continued to move east through Iowa and into Illinois ... Or through Minnesota and into Wisconsin

There was only one way for this to end, you aren't going to get a cougar out of a concrete den with it's back against the wall ..... It'll shred anything that tries, man or beast because this is where they are most dangerous

And you can't take it back where it came from because it's already overpopulated and overpopulation leads to disease and inbreeding causing birth defects

Go do a little research on the deer population in Scott County Park after they put in the golf course and the resistance to sensibly thinning that herd with a controlled hunt .... Around that same time the Upper Middle Class folk in the suburbs of Iowa City shot down a controlled hunt but were up in arms a couple of years later after the overpopulation of deer caused numerous traffic accident and the worst sin of all to a Suburban Yuppie, tearing up their nice manicured lawns and flower gardens .... In the end it cost them over $2000 a head to have professionals thin that herd

We've turned Nature upside down the last 200 years and Nature is no longer in control. Since we are the ones that destroyed their habitat it is now our responsibility to control their numbers or increase their habitat

Take your choice because it's either one or the other .... or total irresponsibility and "Feel Good" Environmentalism that does more harm than good

longjohn412

Animal Face-off - Cougar versus Wolf

http://animal.discovery.com/tv-shows/animal-planet-presents/videos/animal-face-off-wolf-vs-cougar.htm

longjohn412

This one is even better although lo-res and has titling ..... Once the cougar decided to fight it only took 10 seconds to take the wolf out ..... Bites it's throat out and guts him with it's rear claws

Gee I just don't know why a professional over at the IL DNR would shoot it without at least trying to net it first ....

http://www.wildanimalfightclub.com/lion-fight-tiger-vs-gorilla-attacks/bid/10019/Gray-Wolf-vs-Cougar-Mountain-Lion

And in on this one a cougar beats a big bear into a hasty retreat .....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vSp5Ib7G4jQ&feature=player_detailpage#t=50

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