There are worse things than Obamacare.

Republicans in the U.S. House have invited them upon our nation by persisting in a tactic that already has failed and has no chance of success.

After 70-plus failed votes to defund, eliminate or restrict implementation of the Affordable Care Act, House Republicans have resorted to extorting our National Guard, defense department civilians, national park visitors, low-income preschool children and many, many more Americans.

Thousands of Arsenal employees are being sent home, not because our nation has insufficient funds, or no longer needs their defense logistics. They’re being indefinitely furloughed so House Republicans can persist with their same failed tactic.

For a decade, Iowa and Illinois National Guard troops proved essential to our war on terror. Now they’re being sent home. House Republicans chose a tactic that simply dismissed their service.

Investors and home buyers yearn for stable markets, influenced mainly by commerce. House Republicans chose a tactic they knew could sink the stock market and throw the entire housing market into a tailspin.

These grown-ups in the House knew full well what havoc their tactic would unleash on Americans. They did it anyway, all because they lacked the ability to govern the way our nation’s Founders intended. Ours is an imperfect system of compromise, where majority votes rule and nobody gets everything they want. House Republicans who believed in that system would have pursued different tactics.

Speaker John Boehner lamely attempted to pin the blame on the president. But President Obama, and the Senate Democrat majority did not pursue a tactic that shut down government. They are implementing a law approved by the full Congress.

House Republicans could have – and still can – work with the Senate Democratic majority to reform the least popular and effective elements of the Affordable Care Act. Note that employer mandates already have been delayed by presidential order, not an act of Congress. But Republicans have abandoned compromise for one obvious reason: Many aspects of the ACA are very popular with voters.

A new Des Moines Register Iowa poll confirms that Iowans are split on their overall impressions of the ACA : 49 percent say it’s a bad idea; 45 percent say it’s OK, or is very good. Six percent are undecided. But when asked about primary components of Obamacare, Iowans seem to be big fans: 74 percent support coverage for all regardless of pre-existing conditions; 85 percent like the comparisons available through exchanges; 70 percent support keeping children on parents’ plans through age 26; 56 percent support lifting insurers caps on claims. Even the most onerous claim – the individual mandate – enjoys the support of 52 percent of Iowans.

Iowans more narrowly support the mandate on smaller employers and are evenly split on the overall concept of expanding coverage to more poor Americans. The House GOP goal calls for allowing insurers to deny coverage to cancer patients and others with pre-existing conditions. The House GOP goal would restore the benefit caps which deny healthcare to millions of Americans. House Republicans are intent on knocking young people off of their parents’ plans and blocking the affordable preventative care that is the cornerstone of the ACA.

We believe those outcomes, along with the strain on the stock market, job market and housing market, and the dangerous dismantling of defense preparation, are much, much worse than Obamacare.

Obamacare problems can be fixed by elected legislators looking out for Americans’ interests. The House Republican majority certainly may choose not to be part of a solution. Instead, they have undeniably and indefensibly chosen tactics they intended to hurt all Americans.

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grimm
grimm

BTW, "Atlas Shrugged" would make a terrific read during what appears to be a very selective shutdown.

Stonecold
Stonecold

Take your ayn rand BS over to Africa, and try selling it to the pygmies over there.

I’m sure they’d be much more receptive to you ideologies.

Especially, seeing as they like to eat their own!

grimm
grimm

Now, that's a quite racist comment, old friend ....

chopperman
chopperman

Yes, great idea Stonecold, please take all the BS over to Africa and teach the pygmies, maybe they will listen to you. We will so miss you here.

Stonecold
Stonecold

Seriously boys,

Have you ever considered consulting with a headshrinker?

I do believe pygmies do a marvelous job when it comes to head shrinking!

grimm
grimm

Perhaps all Obamites who are proud of the community organizer's management of what is not really a "shutdoen" - after all Michelle's munchin on veggies website is up - should scamper to the nearest national park or monument and provide national service to support the barrycades as a human traffic cone.

grimm
grimm

Obama knows what he has to do to resolve this.

Write, phone, and email to tell him that you want him to delay the affordable Health care act until such time it can be demonstrated that it works.

Stonecold
Stonecold

Nothing in this comment to read, but blather from one of the “Destroyers from within” (ayn rand libertarian.) :-)

Wheezy
Wheezy

Boehner could end the shutdown today by simply proposing a clean CR bill.

chopperman
chopperman

And the King could end the shutdown today by postponing the individual mandate for 1 year!!!

grimm
grimm

An excellent, non-emotional analysis of who caused the shutdown point your browser to:

http://m.townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2013/10/04/who-shut-down-the-government-n1716292

Unless you think obamacare is quite the cat's meow let's not be casting stones at Republicans ....

And if you do think it's great, well, what planet have you been on?

grimm
grimm

The squealing of the left is a sound of comic proportions.

The House Republicans comprise the only force that can prevent the republic from sliding into an economic debacle of catastrophic proportions.

The health care law is only one disaster in this larger debacle. And what a disaster it is. Every day another story of failure.

Obama simply is incapable of listening to reason. If the drastic action of a shutdown will force a more reasonable stance from this failed president then go for it!

We may fail and the collectivists might exalt in their destruction of our free-enterprise economy. But we will be able to look our grandchildren in the eye and tell them "we tried."

In closing I cannot resist the temptation to note that a brief perusal of the Time's parent company's financial statements reveals an economic failure that may well be mirrored in this paper's editorial stance. The times can't even keep its own fiscal house in order; is it any surprise that its editors have no care about the nations economy?

Xochitl
Xochitl

4ever49 The shutdown is the direct result of Boehner refusing to bring a clean bill to the floor. Instead, he only allowed a bill which includes defunding the ACA. THAT is what shut down the government. His refusal to bring a clean bill to the floor. It is really that simple. He could bring a clean bill to the floor in the next 30 minutes and the government would be open. There are enough GOP House members willing to vote to open the gov to pass it. He refuses to bring a bill to the floor without a GOP majority. This is NOT about the debt. Except in the sense that now some on the right are attempting to insert it in an attempt to save face and find an exit strategy.


Here's a question for you. Is Boehner willing to allow a clean bill to be voted on? If not, why not?

4ever49
4ever49

Xochitl - If “clean” means that Obamacare is off limits – that is not likely to happen. Obama has stepped way out of bounds by exempting all sorts of categories of potential users of the program using it to play politics. I am not in favor of any bill that allows a President to play games with its implementation.
Right now he is catching it from major unions who are demanding exemptions as well – can you guess why they would want such a favor?

4ever49
4ever49

Xochitl – you said “This is NOT about the debt.”
Wrong again Xochitl.
It is very much about the debt and the Fed printing money – Obama is starting to cave. The consequences of him holding out on this is far more destructive than any piddley Obamacare bill.

Edgar Pearlstein
Edgar Pearlstein

Republicans should get over their disappointment and let the country proceed with its life..

Wheezy
Wheezy

If Boehner had a conscience and valued the country over his title, he could have the government back in operation tomorrow by simply proposing a clean continuing resolution bill without the blackmail.

4ever49
4ever49

Oh Bull – Obama needs to get down off his high horse and start talking. His simple refusal to talk is at best childish and at worst enormously damaging to the country – at home and abroad. This episode is just more evidence that he is a catastrophically failed leader and President.

Xochitl
Xochitl

You obviously aren't paying much attention. The Dems have offered to talk, BEGGED to talk. They will just NOT discuss repealing a law which is passed and working. The "anarchy " caucus of the GOP will just have to live with that.

4ever49
4ever49

I track the events continuously. Dems have BEGGED to talk? Since when? Any begging on their part has been loaded with preconditions that defeat any meaningful negotiations.
While all this fuss and feathers is going on the real issue of the national debt is ever drawing closer which is where the real battle will be. Obama better get his big-boy pants on because his petulant Chicago gangster style of demagoguery is about to be run over.

Xochitl
Xochitl

If you track events you must have seen the president say , many times, he is willing to sit down and talk. But will NOT negotiate the ACA.

Now the issue is the national debt? REALLY!!! When did that happen? Is this now going to be the GOP new stance? Amusing, but no one is that stupid. The anarchy caucus did this because of the ACA. No other reason, and you know it. BTW, the government spending is growing at a rate not seen since Eisenhower.

longjohn412
longjohn412

Obama invited the Republicans to the White House 18 times so far this year to talk

They turned him down all 18 times

They had more than their chance to talk and whizzed in their own beds ....

4ever49
4ever49

I recall him recently saying he will not negotiate – Obamacare or anything else. It’s at take it or leave it proposition.
You say “now the issue is the national debt? REALLY!!!” I must say you are the one that is that stupid – and astoundingly naïve – this whole thing is being rolled up into the effort to again kick the can down the road with the Fed further printing more money.
You are really clueless as to how destructive this will become. Grab your backsides and hang on because it could end very badly if we keep going down this road.
By the way, this is neither Democrat or Republican strategy because both are culpable in this.

grimm
grimm

Obamacare "working."

giggle.

45acp
45acp

Oh come on Xochitl, Obama is willing to talk, about what?? Golf?? Perhaps his next overpriced vacation?? You even admit he will NOT negotiate Obamacare!!! Closed mind. It's my bill and only I can change things as I see fit. Nothing to talk about until the King realizes he's hurting all and opens communications. Obama is not a leader, not a president, not even acting like a good community organizer. But of course, he's your idol, you grovel and bow to him. Twisted and pathetic.

longjohn412
longjohn412

I find it interesting that the one cartoon perfectly predicted the outcome of Bonehead's meeting with the President last night .....

"If Obama won't play my way I'll take my ball and go home"

Which sums last night's meeting to a "T" .....

4ever49
4ever49

The usual scapegoat alluded to by lefty editorials is opposition to Obamacare. While that is convenient they miss the real import of what is going on – and it is the looming default on bonds.
After $3 trillion has been printed by the Fed out of thin air, stealing purchasing power from everyone who saves and makes plans for their retirement, the Obama government is now full forward mode to drive out anyone who opposes their views.
As a tax paying saver I am sick and tired of the ongoing rape of our country by those that fail to produce and their political compatriots who get elected for handing out even more of that provided by producers, under the guise of taking care of the downtrodden; all this while they themselves are enriched.

longjohn412
longjohn412

Please ..

The National Debt is completely irrelevant compared to the $700 Trillion Private Banking and the Private Federal Reserve CORPORATION is still floating out there in Derivatives Debt, mainly mortgage based ....

What is more dangerous, a $17 trillion public debt or a $700 trillion private banking debt?

Even you mathematically challenged Republicans should be able to figure this one out .....

4ever49
4ever49

First, I am far from being mathematically challenged & hold advanced degrees in finance, have a good understanding of fiscal and monetary policy with years of experience in banking.
The comparison between the national debt and private debt is specious at best. The fact that the Fed is printing money to buy bonds is destroying our position and leverage in the world as the major reserve currency – currency which is held by numerous small countries as their reserves as well.
The private debt is just that, private. If and when the issuers of their debt fail to repay, then they are the parties at risk – not an entire country’s position in the world. Wringing your hands over derivatives is wrong headed – these guys are big boys and if they take a hit they earned it. No more too big to fail.

longjohn412
longjohn412

Well I'd like to personally thank you so-called experts in high finance for the 2008 crash ... That was some real great work on you guy's part ....

You guys are some of the most poorly educated people to come out of our colleges, at least compared to engineers and scientists ....

I have a REAL education and the things I design actually work and don't come crashing down every 10 years ....

grimm
grimm

Actually, Ljohn, we may have taken advantage of failed government policies, but we warned you about this nonsense long ago.

The democrats do really stupid things and bright folks legally profited off those stupid things and you are complaining?

Next time you see Barny Franks tell him I said thanks.

grimm
grimm

Well, I agree with you that the Fed should have never bought this debt.

It only delays the bitter medicine our economy needs to ingest.

BTW, the FED saved the community organizers bony little backside with this move.

grimm
grimm

Actually it isn't $700T, but if you look at the fed reports it is still dismal.

freesenior
freesenior

Guess our little utopia isn't so utopian after all. In short, the GOP is at a cross roads. It does not know if it is fish or fowl when it comes to the issues and too bad it is more concerned about slanted opinion polls, a press that has become but propoganda and unwilling to face the reality that the nation really disagrees with itself. If it falls apart so be it. Disagreeing with foes entrenched is part of life, but when the standard bearers for one side of the case are hypocrits that think they are going to score points in a slap fight, had better understand a slap fight is a joke when it comes to "all in time".

Edgar Pearlstein
Edgar Pearlstein

"Hostage taking" is an apt term for what the obstructionists are doing. They are holding hostage a lot of agencies, and their clients, which have nothing to do with the Affordable Care Act.

Alligator
Alligator

A party controlled by its most extreme faction will ultimately be forced back to the center. The Democrats learned that when Walter Mondale was losing to Ronald Reagan, and Michael Dukakis to George H.W. Bush. Now it is the Republicans who don’t seem to understand that their extreme tactics are pleasing a small percentage of their countrymen but alienating everyone else.

JCNathan
JCNathan

Gee, you gents and ladies still don't get it. The fight for/against the ACA is only the symptom of the problem we have. I'll restate it again. The General Accounting Act of 1921 requires the President and Congress to submit and approve a budget. The President has done his duty, each and every year he's been in office. The House has done it's duty by reviewing the President's Budget and suggesting changes (which has been done for several decades), then send it to the Senate. The Senate has refused to attend the joint budget conference hearings thereby effectively ending the budget process. Until we ALL understand that, nothing great will again come from Washington, DC.

spirit-warrior
spirit-warrior

The harm to America is from Dems. who rammed Obamacare through (against the will of the American people) and is bent on forcing us all (except for federal politicians, union bosses, big business, etc.) to bow to big government domination (a Soviet mentality).

Alligator
Alligator

Yeah, against the will of the people. There have been two elections since then, in which it was the centerpiece of the debate, and the People elected those who supported Obamacare/ACA. And these "exemptions" you speak of, you have no clue as to what you are talking about. Its a shame really.

Wheezy
Wheezy

Against the will of the people?

It was passed with majorities in Congress through our democratic process, and the "will of the people" was pretty much confirmed in the last election

spirit-warrior
spirit-warrior

Most polls I have seen indicate that most people don't like nor want Obamacare. Before it was past, many people petitioned the government not to pass Obamacare, but we were ignored. Congress (dominated by Democrats) passed it any way, although technically speaking, there was never a final vote on Obamacare in the House, Pelosi just "deemed" it passed. Most people don't want Obamacare, yet the nanny state has foced it upon us anyway.

Gaius Baltar
Gaius Baltar

And they wonder why newspaper readership is dying, your product stinks and you side with the losers.

Plato
Plato

This publication has moved from left field into the cheap seats on the upper deck. Most newspapers are biased but the Times has broken the mold. They should reclaim their former name " The Times Democrat ". Much more fitting.

Klaatu
Klaatu

No, the lying, terrorist democrat/Marxist party is to blame. The GOP offered funding for everything critical, BUT OBUMMER AND THE DEMOCRAT LEADERSHIP REJECTED IT. IT IS ALL ON THEM. The democrats are nothing but a domestic terror organization.

Hawksfan23
Hawksfan23

LOL and it continues

freesenior
freesenior

Finally another that sees merit in the notion of "does not play well with others" Especially when others are all or nothing political parties.

Hawksfan23
Hawksfan23

Klatuu: Democrats are are socialist, terrorist, marxist, commies.

Stonecold and Longjohn: No republicans are racist, bigoted, tea b aggers.

Gee I wonder why this country can't get anything done?

longjohn412
longjohn412

Funny how I never once even mentioned Race yet I'm somehow accusing the Republicans of being Racists ...

THERE is the real problem ...... one side just loves to make s--t up when the Facts don't fall their way ....

Alligator
Alligator

You need to go outside and play for a bit. Clear your head.

Wheezy
Wheezy

Go get'em, Ms. K!
Total nonsense, but who cares?
And The capital letters are a nice touch.

longjohn412
longjohn412

The US Chamber of Commerce just fired a Warning Shots over the Tea Party bow today ...

Either give up this nonsense or they are going to be the ones facing a well moneyed Primary challenge next year .....

senor citizen
senor citizen

A Government shut down at least keeps Congress from passing more dumb legislation. The real test will come when they raise the Debt Limit. I don't believe anyone on the Beltway has heard of the National Debt. Austerity is needed now to pay down the debt China and other nations may cash in their bonds one of these days, and though it's patriotic to buy U.S. bonds, it's no longer practical in terms of sound money management. If the U.S. defaults on it's debt which is a possibility, and goes bankrupt all the money printed will just as well be used to start the grill for the last steak people will be able to afford.

longjohn412
longjohn412

They ONLY way the Chinese, Japanese and Germans will cash in their Bonds is if they perceive the GOP is going to force a Default

And THAT will be 100% on the Heads of the Teahaggers ,,,,,

Hawksfan23
Hawksfan23

Once again what a shock

senor citizen
senor citizen

The concept of the GOP causing a default is not without merit. No danger of that with the Obama Administration in office, as it shares the same values as China as they are striving for the same economic system as well as political. So far China is ahead in the race for a communist world.

Roman
Roman

The government is working exactly as designed.

Except for the fact that the Senate has refused a committee to work out their differences.

The blame therefore lies within the Senate, no question.

Stonecold
Stonecold

Wrong!

The blame without a doubt lies on the shoulders of the “Nuts” that make up the GOP, in other words, the ayn rand libertarians and Christian Right libertarians!

Hawksfan23
Hawksfan23

Gee what a shock.

freesenior
freesenior

You can thank those dead Americans who set the course of distruction exactly 100 years ago with the 17th Amendment. 100 little tyrants that no longer are obliged to listen to the states they represent. They are just a super House of Representatives and now we are seeing the conseqences of the latest show down.

JCNathan
JCNathan

The poll numbers are fascinating but not surprising. The editorial, on the other hand, misrepresents COMPLETELY the situation in Washington, DC. The GOP is NOT the problem here. Wish your editorial staff and other Americans would educate themselves on how the federal government works. What the Senate is doing is violating established law, i.e., the General Accounting Act of 1921 wherein the President submits a budget and Congress reviews, modifies, and/or approves the budget. Once Congress approves, the President signs and Congress busies it self with approving authorizations and appropriations. Your editorial is misleading at best...the "real" culprits here are those in the Senate who have failed, for the last 4 years, to approve a budget. As one who used to prepare budgets for the Department of the Army, trying to run your programs on Continuing Resolution Authority forces you into wasteful spending in monumental proportions. Stop laying the blame on the GOP...it goes both ways.

Hawksfan23
Hawksfan23

Careful now... Don't go injecting common sense in here. You'll make all these partisan hacks who just blame the other party mad.

JCNathan
JCNathan

You're right Hawksfan...my bad. Thousand pardons!

longjohn412
longjohn412

FACT: Ther Founding Fathers never once made a budget ...

Not even once

The Budget IS the problem, spending bills should be voted on individually based soley on their merits and merits alone ... No ideological nonsense like budget with a hundred unrelated items tacked on

Like the Founding Fathers did it .... Like it was done for over the 1st 100 years of this Nation .... Reid is in fact acting like the Founding Fathers and the Republicans are not even remotely close ....

Hawksfan23
Hawksfan23

Thanks for proving him right. I'd like to see you, stonecold, and Klatuu locked in a room together. Now that is a reality show.

Hawksfan23
Hawksfan23

I knew you couldn't make it through one comment without blaming republicans for something, just like Klatuu will counter it's all the democrats faults. People like you two are destroying this country with your partisan bickering.

JCNathan
JCNathan

Wow, longjohn...that's the kind of "knowledge" this is killing our country. You are correct, the Founding Fathers did not once make a budget. In fact, the United Stated didn't have a unified budget until 1921! Since General Accounting Act of 1921 (gee, I hate to keep bringing up that pesky law) became law, every president and congress hammered out a budget that everyone, albeit grudgingly sometimes, agreed. Until Sen. Reid and his cronies. The "fun" that we had building the President's Budget and submitting to congress is gone, done, finished.

Oh, with regard to spending bills being voted on individually...that is already done. To wit: the Defense Appropriations bill, the Health and Human Services Appropriations bill, etc. Congress could never vote on each line of each appropriations bill - it would take forever. But I can tell you longjohn412, that there are some really professional staffers up there that do look at every line. But all of that discussion is mere history now.

End.

longjohn412
longjohn412

Whether it's the law or not is actually irrelevant.

What is relevant is it has been proven to be a failure to the point of crippling our government today

Produce a 'Clean' bill Teahaggers and it'll pass ..... But of course you already know that which is why you refuse to do so ....

chas holman
chas holman

The GOTea is mad as a hatter.. Ladies and gentlemen, the nation has a serious problem on our hands with this bunch of trouble makers out not only to destroy 'big government', but apparently everyone in between too... (not as big of problem as any sensible moderate conservatives left in the bunch though).

freesenior
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