As a liberal who voted twice for Obama, I have now reached a point of opposition to him. One of my reasons is a resentment of his having played the race card too many times. The result is that his presidency is hurting race relations.

Another of my reasons is that he shows no knowledge of how to create jobs for minorities or anyone else, but he knew how to bail out the big banks, and he knew how not to prosecute any of their officials.

Also, Obama expanded provisions of the Patriot Act, and illegal surveillance has occurred on his watch. Until he shows a desire for reform, whistle blowers will continue to blow his cover.

He continues to show ineptitude in managing our foreign policy in the Middle East. To make matters worse, he has protracted the war in Afghanistan.

Despite his rhetoric decrying the demise of the middle class, he has done them few favors with Obamacare. The poor get subsidies, the rich remain secure, but there is no subsidy for a vast chunk of the middle class. Should middle class people continue to take it on the chin, one more election with the same result could vanquish us.

Having erred in my vote in the last two elections, I will think long and hard before I select Hillary or any other candidate of either party. My trust has been eroded.

Terry Fortman

Rock Island

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Alligator
Alligator

This is a good example of the difference between progressives and conservatives. A progressive will call-out his leaders for their un-progressive behavior. A conservative will defend them until the death, as seen in Iraq. They will go down with the ship and claim its not sinking. LOLLOLOLOLOLOL

Wasteline

Years of Tragic Waste

By PAUL KRUGMAN

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/06/opinion/krugman-years-of-tragic-waste.html?_r=1&

Wasteline

Labor union frustration boils over with president on ObamaCare

http://thehill.com/business-a-lobbying/319685-labor-frustration-boils-over-with-president-on-obamacare

...here's some more unhappy Obama supporters.

LNorman

45acp=== you must have grabbed an extra hand full of pills.its working

LNorman

45ACP=== I don't watch the cry wolf Fox soap opra show. I'm not the one who needs to change stations

LNorman

Is there such things as forgetfullness and stupid pills if so the Republican rightwingers must be passing them out to their members and it looks likee the Tea party slipped in and grabbed a hand full

45acp

Better switch channels there Arnold, it's getting to ya...

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Steve B

A bit off topic, but thanks.

mileswrich

Such fools, this Obama haters are. Good jobs, do you remember who replaced the Quad Cities' good paying jobs at IH, Caterpillar, Deere, and Case with food service jobs at the Casinos? It wasn't Jimmy Carter, or Bill Clinton. It was that former Democrat from Tampico who worked for WOC and who you all worship. There are consequences to actions. Starting in 1981, we cut taxes for the wealthy and started the biggest transfer of wealth from the middle class to the upper class and slowly, the middle class shrank. Oh sure, it was the union's fault. If we can't get people to work for slave wages, or are forced to provide for them a pension in their old age, we can't make a profit. Oh really! Medicare is a turkey? Medicare made the doctors rich, but now these greedy ingrates think that if they don't bring in $400K a year, they are underpaid, while their patients live on 6% of what they make. Wages haven't grown, except for the time Bill Clinton was in office, Nixon was President. Jimmy Carter was a loser when it came to international affairs, but he got blamed for the economic mess he inherited. Just what should Obama have done to create jobs that he didn't do? This is a jobless recovery because we shipped most of our lower skilled high paying jobs overseas so corporate profits could increase and management could make bigger bonuses. In previous recoveries, factories reopened. This time they did not because they weren't cut back, they were permanently closed. What happened to Flint in the early 80's has happened to the entire country. The jobs lost in the 2007-2009 period were almost all related to housing, and banking. The economy under G.W. Bush was only good because of ridiculously easy credit. In the 20's, it was buying stocks on margin. In the 2000's, it was jumbo mortgages with no proof of income, and credit cards accounts galore. As wages didn't increase, American consumers used their credit cards to keep up their lifestyle. As their balances rose, they took cash out of their homes to pay off their credit lines. Then the economy sank, and the banks cut back everyone's credit line and spending plummetted. Walmart is now seeing same stores sales actually drop. Why? Really Simple. There is no home equity to borrow. So lay off Obama.

grimm

opps

ah, fred, medicare pretty much sucks. but de facto we're stuck with the turkey.

have to deal with it for my parents and it indeed does suck. Many good docs don't accept it, and the protocols it demands, well, suck.

Want to do something interesting? try to buy a wheel chair without script from a medicare accepting doc. the minions at the hospital supply think that a wheel chair is a controlled substance.

The fact that most everyone who paid into the crappy plan signs up for it when they hit 65 does not mean that it doesn't suck. Heck, if you earn a good income you've paid through the nose for a crappy plan that isn't worth the money that was taken from you.

Heck, there isn't any upper bound on contributions to this turkey and frankly I won't get a reasonable return on the money I've been forced to pay into medicare. It is a lousy value for upper income earners, but a freebee for the less productive.

BTW, Johnson may have signed the voting rights act but it passed primarily because of actions of Republicans, especially everett dirkson.

Xochitl
Xochitl

Sorry, my best friend just got a wheelchair through medicare (MS). Not sure what you are talking about. All she needed was a written prescription from her GP. You can go to any medical supply house around and get a wheelchair without a script. But you will need to pay for it yourself. Why is needing a prescription an imposition? For the 1% I imagine Medicare does not mean much, they don't need it. For the rest of us, who live in the real world, we do need it. I don't know what you mean by "it sucks", I haven't found it any more time intensive than any insurance company. Oh, that "Insurance Company is going to require a script too, to buy you a wheel chair.

grimm

your response highlights my criticism of medicare. The person at trinity who waited on me simply couldn't understand why I wanted to purchase [got the concept? as in "buy" with "money"] a wheel chair. It was for a dear relative and I didn't want to deal with the paperwork. Was willing to pay the grand to get the chair immediately. The sales person apparently had never dealt with someone who wanted to personally pay for a wheelchair rather than expect the government to cough up.

Over the years my employers and I have coughed up an absolute fortune for medicare [which explains why a lot of folks like me will sign up for it -we actually paid far more than it's worth] That, my friend, gives me the moral right to call it crappy.

Xochitl
Xochitl

I don't know about "moral right", but you sure can call it crappy if you like. Not too many will agree with you, but hey, whatever makes you smile. grimm, it isn't Medicare, it's Medicare and ALL insurance companies, friend. Of course the medical supply company is used to dealing with insurance companies. Wheel chairs cost a lot of money. That's why we have insurance, to defray the cost. You didn't want to wait a few days to get authorization, so? That does not make you a better individual, seems silly to me, but as I said, it's your right to do what you want.


You are operating under a misconception, for the vase majority of us, you will not have.."actually paid far more than it's worth". Just the opposite is true. Do some reading.. Hope your relative likes their wheel chair. My friend does.

grimm

individuals *purchase* insurance to protect against *risk* not to "defray costs."

That is a subtle but very important difference.

The former is a very rational decision-making metric, the latter is the position of an individual who expects others to pay.

A standard wheel chair costs about $1000 or so. I found it amusing and sad that a salesperson (sic) in the industry was befuddled that someone would walk in and simply want to buy the product rather than demand that government pay.

LOL it took him thirty minutes to get "permission" to take my money. Treated me like I was trying to buy an illicit drug .....

Yes, medicare is crappy. A crappy $100 T fiscal black hole.

I suppose if you are on the net receiving end you have a big ear to ear smile.

Xochitl
Xochitl

Well thought out. Worth a read, folks....

Stonecold
Stonecold

Very factual and straightforward, very nicely stated, mileswrich!

But, be forewarned, the Neanderthals will use every lie in their arsenal of lies, in an attempt to discredit it.

TruthOnlyBeTold
TruthOnlyBeTold

mileswrich....Jimmy Carter was able to arrange a 13 day long peace conference between Anwar Sadat and Menachem Begin at Camp David and you say he was a loser when it came to international affairs? Just what is your standard for being a winner at international affairs?

You talk accurately about how this country ended up losing all those good paying jobs and then ask what Obama should have done to create jobs that he didn't do? How about working closely with both sides of congress and coming up with some ideas on offering incentives for getting those companies that moved production to other countries to move production back here to the USA. THAT would have been a good start. All those promises concerning jobs that Obama made in his second inauguration speech should have been made during his FIRST inauguration speech. The health care issue could have waited.

I also feel he is a failure when it comes to leadership. He can sit there and complain about congress all he wants, but he is not the first president to have a hostile congress to deal with. Think about what Bill Clinton had to deal with when he took office.. (Whitewater investigation...dealing with Newt G). Did he sit there and do nothing? No he didn't. He WORKED with congress. Even Chris Mathews, an ardent democrat, has gone off on rants about how Obama has failed to work with congress. Lay off Obama you say....no way....I voted for him once and have been sorry for that ever since.

Stonecold
Stonecold

Yeah!

Clinton sure did work with the House Republicans.

Actually, the Republicans didn’t worked with Clinton, his 1993 deficit-cutting package passed without a single Republican vote in either house.

freesenior

Its hard to unmix paint. A mess was created in the 60's with an abandonment of guns vs butter economics. Lyndon Johnson was trying to fight two wars. One in Vietnam and the other for the Great Society. The problem was the economy was only able to pay for one. Congress, both houses, jumped on the borrowing band wagon and debt has ruled this nation every since. Every President since then has never addressed successfully this problem and certainly the Congress is just as hamstrung. Their efforts to fix have only made it worse and political fears and control have driven more legislation that keeps adding to the problem. Certainly there are more issues now domestically, and internationally that preclude almost any hope of allowing the nation to move forward without the constraints of attempting to manage the economy. Until the tide turns on reducing the function and role of the Federal Government in almost every aspect of American life, and placing directional control back in the hands of citizens and their state and local governments, this nightmare, long in coming will be longer in staying. We are going to face some hard wind, great challenge and saddness for a long time and until we fess up to our historical failings, that long time will just get longer.

Stonecold
Stonecold

What in the heck are you saying?

Put this in your pipe and smoke on it!

Seven months after Clinton took office until the start of fiscal year 2002 (seven months after Dubya took office) the amount of money paid toward interest on the existing Federal debt was $2,767,282,794,374.59
( http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/ir/ir_expense.htm)

So, what that is saying, is that not one single penny of the national debt can be charged to Clinton.

Through his tax increase and reduced spending reduced the debt and was responsible bringing about a very strong economy that was forecast by the CBO to produce almost a $6 trillion dollar surplus through 2010.

And, he accomplished all of this despite the disaster left by Bush Sr. and Reagan.

grimm

The question, my friend, is "what the heck have you been smokin?"

The national debt *increased* during every year of the clinton adminstration.

In fact, the supposed "clintoon surplus" is a mere artifact of accounting chicanery.

and you know it.

Stonecold
Stonecold

Wrong!

It’s not what I’ve been smoking.

The question is, why don’t you prove what I posted, as wrong?

Instead of just running your mouth, as you usually do!

grimm

there was not one year during the clinton administration that the gross public debt of the US did not increase.

period.

Any claims that an annual deficit was eliminated was based on a strategy very akin to the idiot who uses a cash advance on one credit card to pay off another and claims a great debt reduction.

democrats are, by and large, fiscal children.

Stonecold
Stonecold

So far, all you’ve furnished is lip service to the fools that buy into your BS, and nothing to disprove what I posted.

Besides, anyone who lives within Ayn Rand’s fantasy world really can’t have very much credibility now, can they?

Stonecold
Stonecold

After rereading my original post, I see where the first part of my post didn’t get posted.

As, it should have read,

Clinton became president on January 20th, 1993. Clinton saw $1,553,558,144,071.73 added to the national debt during the eight years of his presidency.

Seven months after Clinton took office until the start of fiscal year 2002 (seven months after Dubya took office) the amount of money paid toward interest on the existing Federal debt was $2,767,282,794,374.59
( http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/ir/ir_expense.htm)

So, what that is saying, is that not one single penny of the national debt can be charged to Clinton.

Through his tax increase and reduced spending reduced the debt and was responsible bringing about a very strong economy that was forecast by the CBO to produce almost a $6 trillion dollar surplus through 2010.

And, he accomplished all of this despite the disaster left by Bush Sr. and Reagan.

And, I apologize for the omission, but it still doesn't negate the fact that Clinton did not add one red cent to the national debt

grimm

Again, the facts prove you wrong. In no year of the clinton presidency did gross public debt fail to increase.

period.

clinton could only say that he "eliminated the deficit" by employing creative accounting methods that negatively impacted the SS trust fund ...

I remind you that a "deficit" is not the same thing as a "debt"

smoke, mirrors, and democrats - a prevaricating combination!

Stonecold
Stonecold

You keep saying, facts prove me wrong.

And, then you go about providing nothing, but lip service to your ilk.

How about providing those facts you keep telling me about?

I’m going to make this as simple as possible for you.

If $2.7 trillion was paid toward the interest on the existing National debt during Clinton’s tenure in office, and verifiable at ( http://www.treasurydirect.gov/govt/reports/ir/ir_expense.htm)

And, during his tenure in office there was only $1.5 trillion added to the National debt, then there no way he added to the National Debt

Total Public Debt Outstanding

Oct. 01, 1993 the day Clinton became responsible, the National Debt was $4,406,339,573,433.47

Sept. 30, 2001 the day Dubya became responsible, the National Debt was $5,807,463,412,200.06

verifiable at treasurydirect

But, go ahead and keep repeating your BS, because it is rather amusing!

grimm

are you really that naive?

the interest charges that accrued during the fool's administration *are* a legitimate expense.

in addition to that you totally ignore the accounting chicanery that transferred debt among public accounts.

Generally speaking you have in comment after comment demonstrated an ignorance of business, economic, finance, and policy knowledge that is truly astounding. But what can you expect from a party head by a community organizer from chicago?

Deedub

Stonecold: The numbers you have posted are correct, but your understanding of those numbers is incorrect. You are confusing the idea of payment on interest vs. principle as it relates to debt.

Let me use an example that everyone is familiar with: credit card debt. I am currently helping a relative get out from underneath some bad credit card debt. When they asked for my help last year, they had credit card debt of about $34,000, and they were paying a ridiculous amount in interest because of missing a lot of payments on their credit cards over the prior year or two. Just to meet the interest obligation, they needed to pay a little under $350 per month. Now, if all they paid towards their credit card debt was the $350 per month to cover the interest, their debt would neither increase nor decrease. It would stay the same at $34,000. The only way for their debt to increase would be for them to charge more to their credit cards. If they charged more to their credit cards, they would indeed be adding to their debt. To illustrate further, let's use an 8 year window, since that is what Bill Clinton had while President. If my relative paid $350 per month in interest payments for eight years, they would pay $33,600 in total interest payments, and even though that is almost identical to the principle debt of $34,000, they would not have reduced their debt by one penny. They still would owe $34,000 to the credit card companies. On the other hand, let's say they added $100 per month to their card in new charges over that same eight year period, but continued to pay only the interest due each month. They would then owe $43,600 to the credit card companies rather than $34,000. Their debt would have increased by $9,600. The payments on the interest had no bearing at all on the principle debt owed.

Any accountant will be able to confirm what I am describing above, so you don't have to take my word for it.

Stonecold
Stonecold

Am I the only one, or does anyone else see the haughty attitudes that those on the Right constantly display toward others who happen not to believe in the same ideologies as they do?

They attempt to elevate themselves as the supreme authority on all topics they engage in, and become, contemptuous of others that happen to disagree with him.

They are incapable of ever admitting that they could be wrong or just plain wrong, regardless of the topic they’re engaging in?

And, to compensate for the inability to admit they’re wrong, they revert to diversionary tactics.

They don’t care about the opinions of others that they consider as beneath their supposed intellect.

They are obsessed with placing others that they see as beneath them in a degrading pecking order

They’ve attempted to lead everyone into believing that investors are the true job creators, when in fact they are not!

They are the most despicable and disgusting excuses for human beings to have ever been born!

And sadly, they are the face of today’s GOP!

And, if any of you on the left honestly believe you can compromise or reason with them, you are sadly mistaken.

Grimm (a.k.a. David Hume), I’ve had my fun with you for now.

So, I’ll just send you to two sites, whereas one says you are half right, and the other says you’re all wet in the head.

“Bill Clinton says his administration paid down the debt”

And, the other one,

“The Budget and Deficit Under Clinton”

You can claim they are just liberal-sites, attempting to cast Clinton in a good light, but at least you can take some delight in that one says, you are half right.

BTW, I’ve always despised Bill Clinton, but there’s one remarkable fact about Clinton, he actually saved the country from the disaster your hero’s had created!

Stonecold
Stonecold

Deedub, Hopefully, you don’t believe I’m that naive that I didn’t know what I posted was wrong, but sometimes you have to bite the bullet to point out the true character of certain people.

grimm

So, let me understand this. One states things that are demonstrably false to lure others into "showing their true colours?"

uh huh.

shrewd.

quite the trickster.

:-)

Stonecold
Stonecold

Sadly, sometimes, one has to take extraordinary measures when exposing the destroyer’s from within! :-(

Style

It is disappointing to see the closed minds of the liberals commenting on the letter. They should realize that one does not have to watch right wing tv nor listen to right wing radio in order to have the concerns Fortman has listed. If these liberals don't learn to be objective about criticisms of Obama, they are going to be in big trouble in the next election. The radicalism of these liberals reminds me of the radicalism of the far right. And we all know this leads to losing elections.

Stonecold
Stonecold

Is it possible that you are the writer of this piece, because by your comment it seems to me that you are taking it quite personally, as to the ridicule Terry Fortman is getting over his letter?

Wheezy
Wheezy

I actually agree with some of this, though the mere thought of a McCain/Palin administration still gives me chills.

I do believe, though, that one of Obama's legacies will be the difficult and thoughtful decisions that kept us from the type of global economic collapse that terrified almost everybody on both sides that studied economics. (though he could have at least required some CEO resignations in return for the ( necessary) bank bailouts).

So there are certainly complaints about Obama, but the alternatives are far far worse, and still getting "worser" with the continuing influence of the dark ages tea party.

grimm

Difficult and thoughtful, eh?

We have a nuanced president who, it would seem, can say nothing without a teleprompter. A man who has by utterance after utterance showed himself ignorant of history, geography, logic, mathematics, and the economic and political realities facing our republic and the world at large.

An utter failure.

That ole Hopey Changey Thing just hasn't worked out as expected. But it was probably the best that we could expect a community organizer hailing from the Windy City.

Wheezy
Wheezy

Typical foolish response.

Stonecold
Stonecold

Makes you wonder if Grimm and Klaatu aren't brothers, doesn't it?

grimm

LOL ....

After, what, four and a half years of this failed presidency - an inexperienced chicago politician - who is clearly out of his depth, folks who supported him twice are having a "duh oh" moment.

I guess all obamites aren't brain dead. :-)

The only thing that is perhaps more humorous is that when the evidence of a failed administration mounts one day to the next my friends on the left can only waggle their fingers and bleat "darn old mean nasty George Bush! and, and, and Reagan too!"

Stonecold
Stonecold

Let’s just stop and think about this for a moment.

We have a Randtilian claiming that our liberal president is out of his depth.

An individual that claim’s to have supported Obama twice (highly doubtful), and is now having a “Duh oh” moment.

Then the Randtilian guesses that all Obamnites, aren’t brain dead.

And yet, the Randtilian supported a president whose brain had thoroughly died way before he ever became president, Dubya!

If this isn’t just another GOP attempt at misleading the readers, I’ll eat my hat.

Now, that’s what I call an “LOL” moment!

grimm

put some Tabasco on your toque, it will be much tastier!

Stonecold
Stonecold

I don't need tabasco, because I won't be eating my hat.

As this letter is about as fraudulent as they come.

LNorman

IIt gulls you right wingers because you haven't had a respectable president sense Eisenhower

Venice

Well said.

grimm

let's see, who have the democrats given us since Jack Kennedy ....

Lyndon Johnson who couldn't manage a war and was a dog-abuser to boot

Jimmy Carter. Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy - do I really have to say anything?

Billy Clinton. I'll just refer all questions about honor to Monica or, perhaps, tammy wynette ....

Then we have our current president ...

Fred W

So LBJ was just another lib loser, right Grimm? How's that Medicare, signed into law by LBJ in 1965, working out for all you righties. Remember, this is just another big-government program that all you folks claim to abhor. Yet all of you can't wait to sign up for it when you turn 65. And most of you even opt for the optional Part B. Incredible! It was also LBJ who signed into law in the 60's the landmark Civil Rights Act and Voting Rights Act. What a failure this guy was!

grimm

ah, fred, medicare pretty much sucks. but de facto we're stuck with the turkey.

have to deal with it for my parents and it indeed does suck. Many good docs don't accept it, and the protocols it demands, well, suck.

Want to do something interesting? try to buy a wheel chair without script from a medicare accepting doc. the minions at the hospital supply think that a wheel chair is a controlled substance.

The fact that most everyone who paid into the crappy plan signs up for it when they hit 65 does not mean that it doesn't suck. Heck, if you earn a good income you've paid through the nose for a crappy plan that isn't worth the money that was taken from you.

Heck, there isn't any upper bound on contributions to this turkey and frankly I won't get a reasonable return on the money I've been forced to pay into medicare. It is a lousy value for upper income earners, but a freebee for the less productive.

BTW, Johnson may have signed the voting rights act but it passed primarily because of actions of Republicans, especially everett dirkson.

grimm

I believe there is a song that references Viet Vets, LBJ, a goat, and a woman with a third grade education.

LNorman

phillyfanatic--- SYIRA when the world won't believe us or trust us because off the last administrations proven lies they told them just to start a war that lasted 10 yrs..
Be carful you don't short sercuit you have your wires crossed. I to would like all the facts first

phillyfanatic
phillyfanatic

When union members are torked off about Obamacare, a person who voted for our Putin on the Potomac twice should be ashamed. When one adds up Obamacare, the IRS, NSA , Benghazi, Solyndra scandals, amnesty, huge taxes, regs and govt. spending, any voter wanting to reward liberal Dems with a vote in 2014 are simply now insane. Joblessness, no American energy systems because of whack job enviro Dems, a failed foreign policy where the fauc CIC doesn't even know that the enemy in Egypt and Syria are both Al Q, Muslim Bros and a combo of Hamas and Hez., shows that Americans have to stop thinking charm and socialist baloney will somehow make American safe, secure and great again.

Xochitl
Xochitl

Liberal? My aunt Flossie's bunions!!!! You, dear one, are not and never have been a "liberal".

45acp

LMAO!!! Liberals are jumping ship and those of you that can't see the light can't take it!!! I love it!!! As I've said before, history will show him as the worst president ever. Jimmy Carter is so relieved...


Stonecold
Stonecold

The only thing history is going to show is that Reagan was responsible for beginning the downfall of this country, and Dubya, was responsible for driving the final nail in it's coffin!

45acp

LMAO again Stoned, only in your twisted mind, stay tuned to see 3 more years of this train wreck...

Stonecold
Stonecold

Seeing as you managed to get my last post pulled.

A lily-livered thing to do, but then again why would I expect anything less, especially, from an Ayn Rand worshiper?

I’ll just respond by saying, you must be hinting that the country is going to have to suffer through three more years of obstructionism from the worthless do nothing GOP led congress, right?

45acp

Let me make something perfectly clear Stoned. I don't like your ideology at all, but I didn't read nor did I report a post that must have gotten pulled, apparently it must have been another of your abusive ranting's that someone else reported or the Times staff just pulled.

Your last paragraph speaks volumes. We can all see now that you have finally realized Obama is failing miserably and is in way over his head. Rather that join your fellow liberals that are jumping ship you are blaming Obama's failures on the GOP congress. LMAO. It's Obama's job is to work with both parties for a common good, obviously he can't do that, he has very little good to offer. And thank God there are people around to stop some of his nutty ideas or we would be in even worst shape.

Stonecold
Stonecold

Let me make something perfectly clear, as well.

I could care less of what you like and dislike.

Yeah, and, it’s too bad there weren’t enough smart people around in 2000, to realize they were voting in the biggest nut of all!

And, you’re still a lily-livered Rand worshiper!

45acp

Stoned, you can call anyone on the right a Rand Worshiper, we don't care because your opinions are totally invalid and without merit. Unlike you, at least I don't have my nose stuck up Obama's you know what making those sheep noises.

Stonecold
Stonecold

Go you wanna know what's funny?

It's that I despise Obama, but I despise you and your ilk even more, the true destroyers from within!

45acp

Well then Stoned, why don't you do something about it? Why don't you run for office and fix things? Oh, because you'd get laughed off the podium during your first speech. Kind of like your postings here.

Stonecold
Stonecold

I think the intelligent ones that read these threads know whose lying and whose not.

And, who is the total joke and whose not.

Here a good reason why they should know, one only has to take into consideration who backs up their comments with proof, and it sure isn’t you and the rest of the Right’s minions.

LNorman

Klaatu=== Remember from our past MISTAKES ? Most of us senseable can. .I was wondering can anyone of you right wingers remember what our debt and economy was before the last administration and then after ? if so raise your hands. It look like my computer screen just went blank.
klaatu== where was you at when this was going on ? Right wingers like you are mind boggling you can only remember what time the propaganda Fox show starts. Then repete it like you have been brain washed

freesenior

Party politics... You all sound like two different countries instead of two different parties. What are you really willing to invest to secure your goals? Just asking.......

georgeandersonxyz

"As a liberal who voted twice for Obama".....Stop you right there, Terry. There's really nothing you can say or do at this point to redeem yourself. Thanks for $crewing the rest of us!

LNorman

Terry=== how meny lives and jobs lost during the last administration compaired to this administraation? There is no compairson most of our soldiers are home and jobs are up we need better paying jobs but jobs are up... Your watching way to much of thr Fox exaggerate propaganda Show. They don't know or care anything about the truth they just put on fairtale shows. Those watching Fox and taking them seriously. its hard to fix neive and you can't fix stupid

longjohn412

Looks like just more of the Same Ol' Same Ol' GOP Boilerplate BS to me .....

Put parts of this into Google and I bet you find half a dozen "Letters to the Editor" that read almost word for word .....

coffee cup
coffee cup

"I am a liberal" Riiiiight.

Fred W

Spoken like a true right-winger there, Terry. That's quite a rapid transformation. Rush, Hannity, and Beck couldn't have stated it any better. Your conversion is remarkable - from the left of center to the extreme far-right. That's not only improbable, but it's also very unbelievable. You're claim that Obama is playing the race card is your undoing - it's a dead give-away of who you really are. Quite the contrary, no person in the history of the presidency has ever had his legitimacy questioned like Obama has. And why is that, Terry? Only the far-right nutjobs keep harping on that one. These are the same crazies that question his legitimacy at every opportunity through their constant birther diatribe and ridiculous rants for his impeachment at town hall meetings. Your other dead give-away is your phony objection to Obamacare and linking it to the demise of the middle class. No so-called liberal would ever characterize making available health insurance to those with pre-existing conditions or making available subsidies to those who need it for purchase of health insurance on the exchanges, as an assault on the middle class. That's preposterous! Nice try, Terry, but your "once-upon-a-time" liberal credentials just don't add up.

snowman05

Koooookoooo

TruthOnlyBeTold
TruthOnlyBeTold

Actually Fred, his credentials do add up, they add up to something called common sense. Pushing the Affordable Care Act through congress instead of concentrating on growing good, full time jobs during Obama's first term was irresponsible. It equates with utilizing limited resources for remodeling the kitchen of a house that has a crumbling foundation. Good paying jobs ARE the foundation of our economy and well being. Good paying jobs are what makes items like the Affordable Care Act affordable and possible. Our country was on the brink of economic collapse when President Obama took office....and instead of repairing our foundation of jobs, President Obama and his fellow democrats elected to borrow money on the kitchen, rather than repair the foundation.....

Fred W

When Obama took office, the economy was losing jobs at the incredible rate of 800,000 a month. Now we've seen 41 straight months of job growth. I'll take that kind of "foundation building" anytime. As for the ACA, providing health insurance to potentially 30-40 million fellow Americans who don't have it is a tremendous boon to the poor and the middle class. And the security of not getting denied health insurance because of pre-existing conditions or not being denied further coverage because of an acquired catastrophic condition is priceless. People who oppose this,especially with no alternative plan offered, have inexplicably no concern for their own or others' self interest. Only blind ideology can possibly explain such unreasonable thinking.

just curious

Fred you can call creating 7 part time jobs out of every 8 jobs created "foundation building" if you so desire. I can tell you that the 6 million people that want full time work call it a word that the Times won't print. The Congressional Budget Office said that 30-40 million people will not have health insurance coverage under the ACA - so what progress is that? The things that need to be fixed in health care coverage are miniscule in relation to a nearly 3000 sheet bill and upwards of 18,000 pages of regulations to administer the bill. How do you know no alternative program has been offered? Do you have any idea how many bills have been created in the House and never see the light of day because harry reid files them in that round file? Unreasonable thinking? Look in the mirror.

Fred W

Just Curious -
Please provide the alternative health care plan provided by the House Republicans who submitted 40 repeals of ObamaCare. To make this easy, how about providing just 6 or 7 point-by-point summary statements of what's in this plan. Also, please indicate when specifically this plan was scored by the CBO? In scoring the ACA, the CBO did in fact state that this plan had the potential for enrolling 30-40 million Americans who currently don't have health insurance. That's a fact. Incidentally, what is your objection to people with pre-existing conditions being able to get health insurance? Or what is your objection to young adults up to age 26 being carried on their parents' policy? And what is your objection to insurance companies being required to pay out 85% of paid premiums to actual health care? These are all things that are in everyone's self interest. Your opposition makes no sense.

just curious, I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts on just why there are seven part time jobs out of every eight jobs created? And, while you’re at it, could you tell us all, just who really creates jobs?

Stonecold
Stonecold

Isn’t it funny that when asked to produce evidence that backs up their claims, they all of a sudden develop, lockjaw?!

grimm

you mean part time job growth, don't you? ;-)

Perhaps you can explain the record low level of labor force participation as well as the unprecedented rate of applications for disability.

And a health care debacle which is proving to be everything its critics claimed - an government heavy, inefficient, incredibly expensive wealth transfer scheme.

Yes, one sterling success after another.

senor citizen

Voting for Obama twice reminds of an old saying "he is a fool who stumbles over the same stone twice"

Couldn’t the same have been said of Bush II and Reagan?

Style

Reds, Fortman has a nearly flawless list of criticisms that any sincere liberal should be concerned about. Your failure to see this is indicative that you've sold out to republicans who could care less about these factors. The letter writer pretends no trust of either party, suggesting true idealism, not the faulty pragmatism you support.

reds fan
reds fan

I don't really think you are a liberal. if you were you wouldn't buy into the Republican garbage you are now saying. I think you also have been listening to Rush Limbaugh and Fox news way too much. Your rants are almost word for word from the Republican playbook. No you are not a Liberal. If you voted for Obama and voice these complaints then you now are a Republican.

atlasshrugged

reds fan - Heaven forbid that a voter can like certain things about then candidate Obama and not like other things once he/she has been lied to! I am a libertarian who voted for Obama in 2008 and changed my vote in 2012. I guess only the president can "evolve" and change his mind on issues and not the voters.

just curious

If your info comes from msnbc and the like you label folks who have the audacity to criticize the admin as 'racist' and 'bigoted'. I do not care if the potus is pink with purple polka dots, I dislike his policies and his actions - or I should say - inactions. All talk. He lied to get elected - twice - and still lies about what he has done. He said he was going to fix the economy and jobs. We now have 7 of 8 jobs created as part time jobs. That really helps the economy?

Klaatu
Klaatu

You however, are a real liberal. You never learn from your mistakes and continue to support democrat gibberish that has ruined the country.

snowman05

Reds fan, your a commie Red aren't you? Kool-aid isle two at Hyvee.

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